I don't say strike fear against the 5 families but even in NJ the DiMeo family don't strike fear ! When Christopher was beaten by the street thughs when tryed to buy the drug,there was no retaliation against the gang and Christopher was a made man;in the Russian case, Tony said to get rid of the body because he feared reprisal from the Russians boss or at least that he had to find someone else to launder money; when the rapper try to extort money to Hash,in NY don't have the courage to do this,if heash was a lupertazzi associate.

That's kind of the point, to show the decline of Mafia. Christopher who is a made man, should command fear and respect but he is just a junkie and nothing more than a street thug.

There was no retaliation simply because...well, who to retaliate against? How to find those guys who attacked Chris? Would he even recognize them?

Tony didn't want a war with the Russians simply because it would have cost time and money. It would be more of an annoying headache than a lethal disease.

Hesh WAS a Lupertazzi associate. My understanding was that he went back so long that he enjoyed a certain status but wasn't affiliated with any one family. He was Johnny Boy and Tony's friend, but as Johnny Sack mentioned "Hesh isn't just a friend of you guys, he's a friend of ours too" in S1E6.

And the black rapper didn't really try to force or intimidate Hesh, he was threatening him with a lawsuit, which was quickly dismissed by Hesh when he threatened to counter-sue. Nothing came out of it and there was no need to risk heat by whacking the rapper.

I always liked how they made them out to be a small time crime family past its prime plus the fact that they were NJ and not one of the NY families. Thought it was a more interesting twist than the typical big powerful NY Mafia in its prime story.

Ironically a lot of critics I've heard were saying the show was unrealistic in how it portrayed them to be far more rich and powerful than they would be in real life. But I never got that impression from watching the show.

I think it has to do with the fact that in the series, DiMeo family is described as running North Jersey, which isn't the case in real life. I don't know which family it is exactly, but a faction of one of the Five Families is the strongest Mafia body in NJ.

Which tells you all about how powerful DeCavalcantes are, when just a faction of a NY family is more powerful than the entire DeCavalcante family.

KonKostic,isn't important to kill the same men that beaten Chris. Christopher Moltisanti even is a junkie,was a made man so the family must take trusted wiseguyes and begin to kill the gang members, set fire to their homes, etc. the demeos are a family of Cosa Nostra, even if second-class, and not revenge a member who was beaten means to admit to don't have even the slightest power on the streets.

During the show the TVs says that DeMeo rules on the entire North Jersey and an exaggeration, but in reality the TV exaggerate about the Mafia and its end, so this aspect is credible.

Right, right, like there isn't enough heat already. Why not add to it by killing gang members and assaulting entire neighborhoods.

That just don't happen.

Those guys didn't know Christopher was made or even know who he was so they're going to jump him anyway.

Mikey Scars got in a fight with two guys who didn't know he was a capo. When they found out who they got in a fight with they got scared but Scars apparently let it slide because he accepted the fact they didn't know he was made.

How the guys found out that the guy is a made man and even a capo ?

They maybe ask on the streets or the gambinos find them,and only because Scars fell that wasn't the case to kill them,they survived ?




There are only a gang and gang members die,some criminals that killed another criminal what heat ? Assault entire neighborhoods ? That's a bullshit,who's the gang boss? Tony or Paulie must go to him saying "your men beated my man,who're the men'" if the boss say fuckyou so began to kill every gang member on the streets; is a respect question.

Dude, dafuq are you talking about? What gang? What gang boss? Chris was assaulted by some lowlife drug dealing gangbangers. They got away with it because Tony is not going to risk his men getting arrested for murder on such insignificant stuff. Are you for real?

yes don you're right.Also Tony, chris is a junkie motherfucker don't deserve that men risk anything for him.

Killing every gang member in the street.. Haha. How impossible would that be?

If Christopher wanted to him, Benny, and Peter Larosa could have gone back to the same street and lit up those drug dealers like they did with those two black guys in the SUV, but they chose not to. The dealers didn't know who Chris was so it was no direct disrespect to the Dimeo Family, no one would ever here of the incident so their rackets are not at risk, going after the dealers would be pointless.

But it would have made a cool scene in the episode

In the 1984 a bus full of camorristi stop near the fishermans club in Torre Annunziata,so a dozen of camorristi each men with a machine gun went near the club and opened fire on the other camorristi that stand out the club to play cards or something.

There was 5 or 8 deads. So a real life example.

1984 in Italy, 2000s in USA. It's a difference, a major one.

https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strage_di_Torre_Annunziata

The wiki article translated:

The massacre of Torre Annunziata or the massacre of the Circle of fishermen or even massacre of Saint Alexander was a tragic act of violence took place in Torre Annunziata in 1984.

The August 18, 1984 near Scalea was stolen a bus, which was used a few days later, to carry out the massacre. In fact, on August 26, 1984, around midday, the bus arrived in front of the circle of the fishermen of Torre Annunziata, where often met men tied to the Gionta clan, the bus exhibited a sign with written "Sightseeing Tour".

The bus went out a commando of 14 gunmen armed with shotguns, AK-47 and IMI Uzi, that opened fire, killing 8 people and another seven were injured, some of the victims were not linked to the Camorra and the boss Valentino Gionta,the real target of the expedition, was able to escape.

Don't compare an event in Italy in the 80s to a show about a small NJ crime family.

Also as bad at 8 dead is, that still isn't going to the streets and "killing every gang member."

You're talking about Italy, where OC is much more influential than the US.

Yes,Don and is sad to say it ! The OC eaten three region of Italy, is how to say that the mexican cartel completely control California,Arizona and Texas.

Is it possible something like this happened off screen and just never got mentioned? Some low level goon went and shot some other low level goon? The other 4 families and Philadelphia were all mentioned, but only George Paglieri was seen once, so we know stuff happens.

Isn't it obvious that in The Sopranos, it just shows that the Mafia isn't doing good, compared to the 50s, 60s and 70s? With the episodes taking place from the late 90s up to early 2007, they're pretty much just showing the main character's families and how the mobsters do business in modern-day America.

Well first, the 2 thugs who mugged him and beat him up had no idea who he was. Why would they?

Second, there was no retaliation because it's not like Chris was gonna go to Tony and say, "Hey T, I was driving around looking to score some heroin and these two assholes jumped me. Can you help me get payback?"

Yep it would have been pointless to go after them because as has been mentioned it would have done nothing but bring heat on them and risk going to prison over capping some bangers. Makes no sense.

Some people have to realize that the mob didn't take every chance to kill someone. Yes you have a few crazy killers in every family but why bring unnecessary heat on yourself and your family?

People may also remember the scene in the first season where Chris is being belligerent in the burger joint where it's mostly black customers. The black cop came up to Massive Genius' guy and said "He's only bold 'cause he's semi-hooked up with the Tony Soprano crew." In this case, they did know who he was (or more importantly who he was with) and it probably kept him from getting attacked.

Exactly, Ivy, that's the point. Why Chris was recognized and the blacks don't beat him while the 2 thoughs yes ? The respect is all on the streets,and if one of the thougs say on the street "yeah fellas,I kicked the ass to a guido yesterday and was with tony soprano"; what will happens in this case ? It's just a my curiosity.

I think of it like this. I don't know anything NJ. But, if you were to put the entire Soprano family somewhere in Los Angeles, would any street gangs fear them? Highly unlikely ! Why would they? A small crime family can only do so much, and if you're a street gang member or thug, you're already used to having enemies and people out to kill you all the time, so why extra fear for a small Mob group?

That's how I thought of it in the show. They're showing that yes, these guys are deadly criminals. Murders, in fact. But theres limits to their power and reach. And what they're willing to risk. Ultimately they were mostly all out for themselves and making money, not getting into beefs and wars just for the sake of looking tough.

Even John Favreau wasn't afraid to screw Chris. lol.

Socalgangs you can't compare a mafia family even small with a gang of los angeles.

The mafia families made bussiness in shadow,kill when necessary and the wiseguys try to stay away from prison,while a gang members live and die on the streets and the fact to go to jail it's not a possibility but a certitude, and even in prison will continue to do what they did in the streets that is sell drugs and kill.

Do you want an example of what can really do a mafia family ? Take a look the rizzuto war in montreal that fought even against the bloods and crips that stay also in LA.

I'm not sure what you're arguing here?

All I'm saying is I can't see typical street gangs being afraid of a small crime family such as the one depicted in the Sopranos. At least not anymore than all their other enemies.

Because, what exactly should they fear that's any different than what they face everyday? That's all I'm saying.

What Im saying is that the gang members are reconizable and for sure fear to die. The mobsters are white and the gangs cant shoot to every single white man that see.
And for sure the mobster when saw a gang member can easily ambushed him.