Pretty good Philly Mob Newsclip I haven't seen before. (Note:its a Few Years Old)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V-Nm_LLOK0

1:10

Guy can hardly breathe.. Get that man a cannoli, STAT!

0:45

Shut up you morally bankrupted old fart.

Speaking of mob lawyers, isn't Santaguida representing that Philly chef that got caught sending child porn?

to be fair ed jacobs has a point in that the whole case is bullshit what a waste of the tax payers money i mean what happened there was little everdince in the first and second trial against joe i mean lou and that guy who was geogre borgesi celly was the case and that guy who wore a wire on lou thats all they had. some wiretaps of book making and a diner with some guys from New york

look at the results a 11 year long rico millons spent building the case and millions proscuting it and what result ligambi beat the case. Geogre borgesi beat the case. scoops beat the case. Stanio who everyone said was dead only got 5 years and that was because a FBI agent wore a wire.

Most plead out and a few guys like mousie and eric got long sentences


but was it really worth it a medium sized book making ring poker machines low level drugs and shake down a bookie that was at the end of the day the case there is tons of major crimanls and they focus on a mob family which is really dead just a bunch of bookies. It was a waste of time the whole case next time the feds should only indict if they have a case i mean what a waste of tax payers money

Morally bankrupt for being a criminal defense attorney? BTW, one of the best in tri state area.

Your mad at him for representing friggen uncle joe ligambi? Perhaps Italians shoulden't get defense attorneys, they should just got locked up like in communist countries. Video Poker Joe, what an enemy of society.

Well, GR, they are still dropping bodies. That's what the feds want.

completly agree


ed jacobs is one of the best lawyers


and like i said before a bunch of bookmakers, loansharks and poker machines the other guy is making them out to be something like the cartel

That's being pretty obtuse in fairness. It's not just about video poker. The guy is/was the defacto head of a criminal organization. Why is the lawyer (who isn't even Italian-American) using the Italian card? Most Italian-Americans would be disgusted by reprobates like Ligambi using their ethnicity to cry injustice.

Don't complain about the American justice system. There is nothing wrong with it.

In the United Kingdom and Ireland custodial sentences are a joke.

Edit: So if someone like say Di Pietro is murdered the order for that doesn't come down from Ligambi? If drugs are sold by soldiers that doesn't come down from Ligambi?

What does the cartel have to do with it? That's a strawman right there.

You're wrong about the American justice system. It's completely fucked up.

Maybe not in this case, but in general? We have the highest incarceration rates in the world.

And ed jacobs said that because he's a defense lawyer, that's what they do.

Typical moe tilden, in between fart jokes he wants to jump up on his morality soap box to preach at us mere mortals, and also go on and on about the justice system of a country he doesnt even live in.

Seriously moe, [DELETED]

A foreigner, badmouthing a country and a justice system he doesn't understand, while worshipping neighborhoods in America he has A, never been to and b, will never go to.

The fact that Jacobs was able to get Ligambi out on that case is a miracle. RICO is stacked against the defense. YOu shoulden't be insulting the man as morally obtuse because he was doing his job to represent his client. That is how it works in this country, you get hired to defend someone, you defend them.

As far as the Italian thing, he was summarizing the defenses and defendants feelings. Cutler wasn't Italian either, do you have a problem with him too?

Seriously, another foreign America basher who worships our culture so bad he dreams he could live in Yonkers for one day.

Dellacroce -

That was a terrible thing to say (in your reply, above). Absolutely terrible and shit like that will not be tolerated here. Don't EVER say anything like that to a member here again. You will not be warned again!

FWIW - I'm really surprised at you.

Moe- thats pretty silly to give Jacobs shit for being an advocate for his client thats his job, and like previously stated every criminal defendant is entitled to be represented??..Dellacroce is right calling a criminal atty morally bankrupt for doing his job is fuckin idiotic

And where do u see Ligambi bitching hes getting harassed because hes Italian?..jacobs brought it up and hes not wrongbthe FBI has had a hard on for the Mafia since fuckin Apalachin and now especially in Philly they are the least of their concerns..speakin as someone whos from and lives here youre way off no ones saying Ligambi or the wiseguys arent crooks but the amount of govt resources wasted on gambling and joker poker machines is horse shit..the feds need to go after the drug orgs in North Philly and Kensington

I'm sorry but I have to agree with Moe here, at least when it comes to criminal defense attorneys.

When you think about it, it really takes an incredibly amoral person to be a criminal defense attorney. We're not talking about Perry Mason or Matlock here, where all their clients are innocent. This is the real world where the vast majority of clients a criminal defense attorney will represent are guilty as hell. And the criminal defense attorney KNOWS it. Murder, robbery, rape, doesn't matter. They'll do everything they can to get the scumbag off or at least with little punishment as possible. How anyone can do that for a living and then look at themselves in the mirror is beyond me. But I suppose they buy into the same cop out many here do - that they're just doing their job or performing a valuable service in our criminal justice system. Something tells me that excuse isn't going to hold up when they meet their Maker. You show me a typical criminal defense attorney and I'll show you someone going straight to hell.

And don't even get me started on those clowns they interviewed towards the end. How do we know these guys are in the mob? Why don't they go after the murderers and not Ligambi who is just a numbers writer? Are you kidding me?

gino was not a sanctioned by ligambi and there is some ties to joey merlino but thats it.


Drugs they deal on an a extreme low scale if that


my point is there is alot worse than the philly mob of today well ligambis mob joey merlinos mob is a bit different



they are being unfairly targeted compared to some of these groups 11 years millions spent on that



now with joey m its a bit differant he asks for attention

someone has to reprsent a crimnal. I dont mind most defense lawyers they are making a living yes dealing with criminals but so what did they commit the crime?



the ones i dislike are the ones who get to close like bruce cutler or the ones who transfer messages to other criminals the ones who are basically criminals themselves.



but i respect your opinion on that we have different ideas on life

Moe Tilden= Most, annoying foreign troll here who wouldn't last a single day here in Jersey by himself, would be crying to go back to his parents basement in Ireland

Don't start this shit with making flaming statements about other members here. Suspensions will start again.

But when somebody trolls every thread, makes unfunny jokes, and is never serious, it gets annoying.

If you have issues with another member's posting style you have two options. You can ignore them or if you are seriously annoyed by something they've done you can notify a moderator. Making flaming statements about the other guy is NOT an option.

Have fun, laugh, joke around but don't make any personal attacks. We don't want anarchy here and it won't be tolerated.

1. I never said there is anything wrong with the American
justice system. In fact I said the opposite.

2. I have never, ever, badmouthed America on this forum. I respect other countries.

3. The insulation prevalent in the mafia protects cowards like Ligambi from being punished for involvement in murders, extortion, loansharking and various other criminal acts. So RICO is quite necessary to combat the organizational and hierarchical aspect of the mob; because the deck was actually historically stacked against the feds.

4. I agree everyone has a right to fair representation. That is what is great about America. Unfortunately it also means morally unscrupulous lawyers like Jacobs can get pedophiles off, or mobsters off with the blood money they pay him from illegally gained assets.

5. I have a problem with people like Ligambi crying racism or social injustice, yes. They don't speak for the Italian-American community. They are criminals and a drain on society.

6. Again. Show me where I have bashed America? I bashed a bloodsucking lawyer and I bashed a career criminal. What is wrong with either of those things.

I don't know why people are taking my opinions so seriously. I am entitled to my opinion and I respect everyone else's.

I have no idea what's so polarizing about what I am saying to begin with.

At 2:01 isn't that ardie Bucco's wife in the Soprano's?

Charmaine is hotter than that.

First, I think you're forgetting several murders. The 1999 murder of Ronnie Turchi, for example, of which Ligambi later said "We banged out Ronnie to teach Ralph (Natale) a lesson." There was also the murder of Long John Martorano in 2002, Johnny Gongs Casasanto in 2003, and Rocco Maniscalco in 2010.

Second, this stuff about Ligambi, etc being "unfairly targeted" is nonsense. That thinking may be the result of the greater media exposure that comes with the Italian mob (the public still eats it up) but anyone who follows the wider world of OC knows law enforcement goes after other groups too, sometimes making them an even higher priority.

rocco Maniscalco there is a high chance was not mob related infact there is info which shows it could have been drug related. Even if it was mob related from what i have read it was to do with geogre borgesi (nothing to do with being harrys grand kid) but even the ties to the mob are weak not kicking up street tax i dont think ligambi who at that time knew the indciments were coming down was planning to defend himself by saying the mob is not violent would sanction it



ronnie turchi i agree that it was prob ligambi but that was 16 years ago alot of those guys were killers back in the day plus we only have pete the crumbs word who i dont trust



raymond murder once again i read he butted heads with ligambi but also read in one of geogres books that he was trying to get back in the meth business and that some sources say that ligambi had nothing to do with it. Once again 13 years ago


then johnny gongs i dont even think ligambi had him done it all ties to joey merlino with johnny fucking joeys wife yes they may have killed him because of the raymond hit but i think it was all merlino











i agree they should be targeted but the resources they put into the philly mob is in my opinion ridiculous when there is more violent groups out there i mean the whole mob is a small bookmaking operation 11 years and thats what they produce in my opinion that says it all





if the feds bring a case with murders or violent crimes fine charge them but dont waste the tax payers money on a bullshit case lou moncellao that guy who was geogres bitch in the can and the guy who wore a wire on lou that was the feds 11 year investigation two trials worth of tax payers hmmmmmmmm they should have never indicted him if they had no case




and yes they do take down other oc groups but if they had put a little bit more of the money they put into ligambi trials into weakening other oc groups it would made alot more of a difference two trials what a waste of time and money

That's the whole point of RICO. As a leader in the organization, Ligambi is guilty of those crimes his organization commits, whether he was directly involved (he was, at least in some, and there's no statute of limitations on murder) or not. Gambling may be the main racket of the Philly mob but it still maintains its position through threats, intimidation, assault, and murder.

true i respect your opinion on this subject and yearh i know how the rico law works. I still personally think they wasted tax payers money in putting ligambi on trial. Same goes for joey scoops why he was even on trial is beyond me all there was that tape and the only thing he said which was bad was that the induction cermonary with big lou apart from that nothing.

Waste of taxpayers money?

What do you suggest they do, give them free rein and allow them to become as powerful as they were in the Bruno era?

It is not a waste of taxpayers money. They have brought the organization to its knees.

They spend whatever is in their means, and in my opinion it is worth its weight in gold.