Actually I risk destroying my record and going to jail if I got caught carrying a gun. Because I happen to live in a state where it isn't easy to legally carry yet criminals carry all the time.

And what does that have to do with what I asked? The theory proposed by gun control crowds is that more guns equal more violence and that simply isn't the case when you compare cities, states and countries across the world.

So you have evidence that more guns actually prevents gun violence? The US surely isn't your flagship case?

Less guns=less violence...it's not rocket science!

No, I have evidence that increases in legal gun ownership doesn't increase crime.

In the US, for two decades we seen overall violent crime go down even while many states liberalized their gun laws( allowing more people to conceal carry etc). If allowing people to own and carry legally increased crime and gun violence, then we should've seen a huge increase in murders across the board. But we didn't.

Some places are still bad but they tend to be the places with the most harsh gun restrictions like Chicago.

Point is that the root causes of violence is beyond guns and owning them legally.

And what gun law might have prevented the shootings? Well, the right to bear arms is one thing, but allowing people to legally own 13 guns is crazy..for self defence? Unless you think a small country is going to invade your home I suppose. Would he have done it if it was illegal to own a gun? Possibly not...

So you don't accept that less guns=less violence?

No.

The US has way more guns and gun owners than ever before and we didn't have an increase in violence or murder across the board.

The facts and statistics don't agree with your theory.

In fact, the murder rate in the US is only as high as it is due to a select bad cities.
There's plenty of States in the US with very little gun control laws that have very low crime and murder rates.

Other factors contribute to violence. If guns caused people to kill than we would see millions upon millions of murders per year. We don't.

I'm not saying guns cause people to kill, but they do make it far,far easier...I'm happy I don't have to walk around in a society where any idiot can legally have a gun in their pocket...

Madonne! Just agree to disagree. This shit has two threads going back and forth. No one EVER changes their position on this issue, so it's a fruitless argument.

I'm sure socal is about to agree with me....:)

I am!

As soon as you present compelling evidence for me.

So Cal this bitch is just trolling on this issue. No sense in even giving her the satisfaction anymore.

Dixie...Im a guy...and I don't troll...lets forget the issue now then as PB said...itll just keep going round and round

Still going, huh?

Better be careful, you may need those guns when the Muslims try to implement Sharia Law in your country

http://action.mrc.org/secondAmendment-Petition

Not asking anyone to sign the petition, they have decent articles just glad some can see through the propaganda

Good post,Dude

Depending on which channel or station doing the reporting..the agenda is already set....so even the most horrific news stories won't be reported objectively, but through the lens of whatever agenda being promoted.

I try to avoid mainstream corporate media as much as I can for that reason.

What gun law would have prevented Oregon massacre?

I believe its the 5th Commandment: Thou Shall Not Kill.

If everyone followed that Commandment, we wouldn't be posting here! LOL

Lol that is a good point.