There's numerous conflicts between street orgs in Chicago gangland. As mentioned earlier about the 051 YM (Young Money) Mickey Cobras vs BDs, Insane GDs such as STL Boys vs Lamron (BDs), Souls in East Garfield Park, Simon City Royals rumored to be encroaching on the Westside, and others. More info to come.

BF,

I think I asked you this before. Since the gang culture is so deeply entrenched in Chicago..what is causing this violence?

It seems as though that kind of violence would be associated with a city that is just being taken over by outside gangs rather than a city with gangs that are literally 40-50 years old.

Is it a case of groups splintering off or alliances shifting?

Did the feds topple the top dog gang and now smaller gangs fighting for the crown?

Gets,

The cause of violence varies from location to location. Let me explain through a historic lens.

Chicago have an extensive gang history going back to the early 1900s of course with variety of European gangs then later blacks, latinos and asians will emerged. The cause of violence back then is similar today with protecting the neighborhood but also racketeering. The gang scene was tremendous then with 1,300+ gangs in the city around 1927 compared to 50+ today. The prohibition era gang wars cause many casualties and Chicago ended 1928 with 498 murders for example. During these times the gangs census was predominately white.
As years progress pass both World Wars, the demographics began to change in certain neighborhoods and Blacks & Latinos grew significantly. This affected the gangland and more gangs would emerge from the black & latino communities due to white gangs harassing, assaulting, and or killing minorities. The 50s & 60s was the era that certain gangs became generational and later get involved in the drug trade/rackets.
The violence between the 50-60s was mainly local rivals within the immediate area, alliances formed, and later the concept of "Nations". The 70s intensified the fueling with heroin street market becoming pervasive and the end of the 70s the Folks/People (6/5) alliance started behind bars.
The 80s was make and break years and census changing from majority white to black/latino due to white flight. Hence why some white gangs went extinct and others mix ethnicity ( Royals, Deuces, Gents, etc half/majority latino). The 6/5 push/pull different nations together (except Black Souls/ New Breeds) which mean instead of having beef with the 1 or 2 groups now due to the 6/5 your rivalry extended to 10-11 groups even if your nowhere near their turf. Coke & later crack trade involvement.
The 90s saw the internal allies war and certain gun lines becoming semi-permanent, tearing down the high rise begun, leadership of the Big 4 orgs being indicted, money cliques start up.
Since then there have been more indictments, internal leadership rebellions, Decks (equivalent of a crew) flipped to other orgs or completely renegade, youngsters being impulsive.

Take all this historic politics and internal conflicts and localized it to certain blocks and districts and that's what we have today. The hierarchy overall didn't collapse with the projects but certain leadership collapse in some decks more than others. It get to point where you have to dig to separate feuding over petite causes from business. There was never a single top dog.

Simon City talk is at least a year old. For a while they were bc there self appointed lead theo jamendez won 25 mil from the city and was paying gangbangers on the west side to flip. 15 gees to get the R tattooed on their neck. And 5 for every rival they killed. It worked for a while but he now has very little of that money and was arrested last month for a shooting that was onviewed my the police. He's going back to the joint for a while. There was also a power struggle between him and the older white leadership that didn't like him recruiting these black gangbangers into a traditional white greaser gang.

BF,

Thanks. I asked because, say an east coast city like Newark or Baltimore. The West Coast and prison gangs infiltrated these cities and replaced/absorbed the crews and cliques that were already there. Extreme violence is expected in situations like that, where gangs are trying to establish themselves and make people afraid of them. A few years back I was afraid to visit places where I grew up that I walked freely during the crack era.

Chicago has 2 and third generation gang members under the same name/gang so it always puzzles me because I figure that the "borders" are established and have been for years.

Relatively speaking, LA gangs have violent flareups now and then and still have high homicide rates but I'm assuming that because lines/borders are drawn up and clear that there are less "turf related" acts.

I'm not judging Chi-town, just wondering what the factors are there as opposed to other places that leads to the violence.

@JJ
Paying to join the org, that's should tell them something is way off. Which area on the westside was they trying to re-establish themselves? The LKs is the reason why they lost their westside land in the first place. The leadership can't complain for allowing an increase of the black membership since they open to all policy.

@ Gets

That's the unique difference from Chicago when it comes to holding land. There's only some high turfs (BPS :Terror Town, Moe Town, GDs: 10-3, Lakeside, BDs: Fifth Ward, Black Gate City, MC: Fuller Park, LK: Crown Town,) but you have a lot of strips and spots that are small to mid size then it's mixed too. Unlike in a L.A were sets got blocks by blocks varying sizes, Chicago could have a section of a district's neighborhood have 3-4 different orgs. That's why the violence is localized to sections & blocks. The exception is large swath like HQs or equals that I name above. Those have been all under 1 control for decades.
By the way , Baltimore is a Southern city.

Royals never had west side territory. They were always north side as far as I know. Albany Park was there mother land. He basically rented a dope house at around ohio and St. Louis. LKs had nothing to do with them there. They were fighting with the black gangs in that area.They were doing hits every week but they all got busted. Now there influence is gone there. And there former rich leader who got 25 mil for being falsely jailed for 13 years burnt through that money like nothing. Buying Lamborghinis and porshes and renting jets to go to Miami strips clubs for the weekend.

It is mentioned in the book Romantic Violence in R World , when they had the HQ chapter on the westside of Humboldt Park until the 20 year clash with the LKs. Afterwards the Northside chapter was declared HQ. Who's over there by Ohio x St.Louis? Have to be a VL deck.

Also, Northside of Chicago conflict : L.O.C City v I.C.G

The Locs have been the target of a drug operation back in 2013. Local rapper Young Pappy was murdered earlier this year and he was ICG. His older brother BuDouble was shot 9 times last month and survived.

http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140917/...t-gang-alderman

Saint Lawrence (IGD/BD/Stones) Vs. Lamron (GD) has been going on for a while. That beef has sparked numerous killings within the underground hip-hop world, since many of those upcoming Chicago artists were gang affiliated, specifically those two gangs. Lil Jojo, Tooka, Bloodmoney, CAPO, and a few other bodies have been dropped between both sides, and the bloodshed doesn't seem to be coming to an end, any time soon.

Sinatra ,
Your incorrect on the affiliations , STL is mainly insane GD and Lamron is BD.

Man these Chicago kids are fuckin crazy. You can go on Instagram and see 100s of kids toting pistols with extended clips, assault rifles, etc.

And they're taking disrespect to a whole new level "smokin opp packs"

I've literally seen kids with "fuck (dead kids name)" tattooed on their knuckles. Whole different breed

Saint Lawrence is mainly IGD, they also have BD's & Black P-Stones within that alliance. Lil Jay is a BD, at least he used to be. Lil Mister is a P-Stone, and they're both Saint Lawrence. Same goes for Lamron, minus the P-Stones. It's one of those small areas, both STL & Lamron, where neighborhood affiliation seems to come before the gang itself.

I thought Capo was NLMB

It can become confusing with these drill rappers and some of them misguided. Saint Lawrence Boys don't have any members that are Stones and perhaps a few BDs. I say this because they have been GD deck since way back. LiL Jay is/was Insane BD but nearly the whole clique GDs. Lil Mister isn't Stone , he's Insane GD from WugaWorld (IGD) that's ally to Saint Lawrence Boys.

Lamron is straight BD deck no Insanes nor other affiliations. BDs have the least amount of Insanes on the Southside, about 4 or 5. Every other decks are Die 5, 6, Y, or I depending on location.

@JJ
I seen that location on the map Ohio & St Louis and there TVLs over there. Royals pick the wrong spot to expand/recruit.

Capo is a BD but hangs out with NLMB due to his brother Dooski and friends in it.

Are you sure about that?

bad parenting, bad schools, the internet, and video games are to blame

these new mothafuckas think they're playing call of duty or grand theft auto

criminal organizations have to a hierarchy or it ain't a criminal organization

I'm sure but it's where Capo from that's making it questionable , Terror Town area 079 x Essex (Roc Block) if I recall correctly. It was another discussion on a different site that mentioned he's actually a BD.

Yeah, not sure if he's a BD.

I think with those blocks and those crews neighborhood/friend affiliation are more important the GD/BD banner. Durk's father was a GD and I know he affiliates with some.

A lot of these kids were GDs/BDs growing up and switch. The whole insane thing is stupid, too. These affiliations are borderline meaningless, especially for the areas you're talking about (051)

Does anyone know the full story of Tay600 and snitching? I heard Cdai and Rondo had another hearing today. Those guys are completely fucked.

I guess I should be saying "was" and he's now dead. That was sad, but hard to feel too bad when you live that life and so much of the content of your lyrics is disrespecting dead rivals. That's what got Lil Marc killed in like two days after his song.

Why does a white kid from Connecticut know any of that?

LOL...

These Chicago guys are remarkably open about this stuff. They admit to killing people in their music and threaten other rappers by name. They self snitch constantly. They do it on twitter, in their videos, and in their music.

All of these gangbangers started really rapping after Chief Keef hit in big back in 2012 and I like some of the music. Kind of get immersed into the whole conflict because their music addresses it. Bragging about killing people is part of the music and it gets these guys arrested and killed at alarmingly high rates.

I'd say the most fucked up things Chicago rappers do is disrespect their dead rivals by saying they are smoking their dead remains. "Smoking on a Tooka Pack" means = smoking a dead person. That's a specific example (Tooka was a gang member killed a few years ago) but they say it about all their dead "opps" (opposition, rival gang members).

It is fascinating in a way but also really, really fucked up. Inner City Chicago has earned the Chiraq nickname. These kids all grow up without fathers and the gangs give them a sense of belonging, and the culture in these gangs is to kill people and brag about it.

If you go back and listen to music from the 2012 Chicago scene, at least half of the people in the videos are dead or in jail for the majority of the 300/600, Bricksquad and 051 sets... It's sad. Really sad. These "gang members" are mostly kids. Shooting people at 12 years old. That's why this topic is weird to me... calling people "hitters" they are just kids who want to prove themselves and by the time they're 16, they're lost forever.

PB, I live in WC now, btw. Love the area! You gotta give me some good recommendations on some good Italian food.

Mighty,
I agree with majority of your comments but remember that some of them do know fathers who happen to be the same affiliation. Some of the guys been rapping as long or more than chief keef. Like I said , Hitters could range from retaliation to real deal hits. I wouldn't say they lost forever by 16 because each person have different point of views.

Hey BF,

No doubt Chicago gang rap has been around before Keef. But he really popularized it and it seems to have exploded thereafter.

I wouldn't say "he" popularize it but the "media" did. These guys was already a local hit via YouTube.

We're splitting hairs here...

I don't think it is disputable that Keef encouraged more guys to rap -- especially the 300/600 BDs.

I can't say I agree since everybody got different influences. It start with Dro City rappers defining or coining "Drill" and that's 09/10 then the media caught on in 2012. Lamron & Wic City already beefing with STL and others.

Thanks for the explanation. The borderlines are not standard.

Baltimore is an east coast port city...just like Newark. You're right, technically it falls below the Mason Dixon line. though I've never thought of B-More or DC as being North or South.