DiBernardo distributed child porn?

Didn't know that, but something like that couldn't be common knowledge could it?

I mean other people in LCN must have been appalled by it and surely try to do something about it..

DiBernardo's Star Distributors was investigated for it's involvement in the trade back in the 1980's. I'm not sure what became of it and obviously DiBernardo was killed by Gotti's regime before any charges could be brought. Star Distributors did a lot of business in "legal" porn that I always found it surprising if they really risked being involved in the child porn trade.

DeMeo's involvement is more certain and is covered in the book Murder Machine. DeMeo had been dealing in porn for some time but got involved in also trafficking in child/beastiality porn. Gaggi reportedly blew up when he found out about it. DeMeo's explanation was that was the way the industry was going and they couldn't stay competitive if they weren't involved.

That said, I think DeMeo was certainly an exception to the rule. Mob guys will be involved in a lot of heinous crimes but some things, like child porn or aiding terrorists for profit, just aren't in the average American mafioso's DNA.

Did Gotti care about DB's dealing on kiddy porn? Although Gotti was a extreme criminal he always struck me as a mobster that had slightly more morals then the average wiseguy.

i think gotti would have done what he did with drugs turn a blind eye and pretend he did no know just like paul. Paul always said how he disliked drugs but he was taking money of the zips for years he even helped the zips set up with angelo bruno and part of the reason paul wanted carmine galatne killed was because he was taking too much of a cut of the drugs game. Plus roy demeo was making huge amounts of money from drugs paul just turned a blind eye

gotti was the same he was taking drug money of john gambino his own crew were dealing no way he did not know he personally was not involved but most of his crew was rampino, gene, peter and richie dealt cocaine for awhile in the 70s, ruggerio, cardeneli,willie boy, johnny carneliga and charles carneliga. Mark g paid john tens of thousands on a monthly basis and everyone knew he was a heroin dealer

most of the money charles made in the 80s was from the weed racket him and johnny had going on but when johnny went away for the herion racket it all collapsed the drugs got seized and charles blamed peter zuccaro he demanded 30k or else he would kill him peter paid



though i think if john knew for certain and it was common knowledge within the family john or paul would have had whoever was involved in kiddie porn killed but if they had there suspicious they would turn a blind eye or tell themselves they dont know as a way to justify there actions

In my opinion though, drug consumption isn't immoral. So dealing in drugs isn't a bad thing I think, its the violence associated with it that is considered immoral.

You would judge someone who dealt in alcohol during prohibition as a gangster or a thug because they had to use violence for business, but when it became legal again and the violence stopped whoever sold alchohol was just a regular guy running a business.

Consenting adults should be allowed to consume whatever drug they want as long as does not affect other people. Making drugs illegal does not stop someone buying drugs, if someone wanted to buy cocaine or heroin they could even though it is illegal. Making drugs illegal just causes violence.

To be honest, I don't think alcohol prohibition was a morally wrong or restrictive law. I mean, come on, what a "big loss" for a person, not to be able to drink alcohol. An reasonable person would just shrugged off and moved on with his/her life without noticing. I agree that it was a stupid and ineffective law though, but NOT because of the "freedom" factor, but because of the impossibility to make it work. However, as ineffective and destined to fail this law may have been, it still had a reason: the problem of too many people drinking themselves almost to death and not working was really there as far as I know. I mean, it's not like they introduced prohibition just for fun of "depriving people of freedom".



It DOES affect other people. What do you think the relatives of an addict dead from a heroin overdose feel? Their feelings should always be taken into consideration.


You have some point here, but still I think "freedom" is not (or shouldn't be) a factor in this matter. The difficulty to enforce the laws and remove drugs from the streets is.

I think the freedom factor is the main factor. If you don't own your own body, than who does? Telling people what not to consume is ridiculous especially if it means locking someone in a cage when they don't comply. Horrible.

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It DOES affect other people. What do you think the relatives of an addict dead from a heroin overdose feel? Their feelings should always be taken into consideration.

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Ok fair enough, it is sad for families whos relatives become drug addicts, but it is also sad that families have realtives who are alcoholics, or for those who develop lung cancer from smoking. The point is however that making drugs illegal does not stop people from getting them, those people who died from drug overdoses were able to do so even though it was against the law. If all drugs became legal tomorrow there would be the same amount of drug users that there are today, the difference however is that the would be less drug gangs on the streets and less kids being killed because they can no longer earn money by being dealers.

Additonally, regulating drugs prevents kids from being able to buy drugs in the first place. Its extremely difficult for kids to buy alcohol if they are under the age of 21, but it is much easier for a kid to buy drugs because it is illegal and dealers are already breaking the law so why would they bother to have an age restriction.

About drugs, it also depends on the kind of drug. For example, I don't know about marijuana, as far as I know there haven't been any deadly overdoses, but legalizing such a deadly thing as heroin imho is like legalizing murder for hire. I mean, you are right that it seems impossible to remove drugs from the streets; but for that matter it's impossible to eliminate crime as an existing phenomenon either, but that doesn't mean we don't have to fight it.

About alcohol prohibition, I think it also depends on the historical period. There is no prohibition today, but people don't drink as much as before and during the 20s.

ok people are getting my point wrong

i was saying that in mob terms in the 70s and 80s you were not supposed to deal drugs but everyone did or turned a blind eye


marijuana should be legal without a doubt smoking is worse for you than marijuana no one has ever died of it


other drugs like heroin coke true addicts are going to buy if its legal or illegal but the problem is that you still have on your conscience if you made it legal that people will die and there familys devastated because of you even if it is not you would still feel responsible.

i would personally keep it illegal because i feel that if it is legal it would encourage people to try drugs


the prohibition was a joke everyone ignored it most places sold alcohol and no one cared it was ridiculous it was ignored by everyone the prohibition made the mob into a powerful organization

Back to the thread anyway.

That kiddie porn is news to me. When did dealing in child porn become ok in LCN? Not to mention the amount of rapists I said who became made men. If I was an authority figure in the mob I would have killed someone who did either of those things.

Ever hear of Frank De Simone?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_DeSimone

You're giving them way, way too much credit. Rape isn't a sexual crime. It's a violent crime perpetrated by people who need to be in control. And that fits the wiseguy persona to a tee.

As far as porn goes, they'll turn a blind eye to anything. Fat Tony and Matty both made the bulk of their fortunes shaking down gay bars on the West Side of Manhattan back in the day. And with that came a lot of other freaky shit that you'd be shocked by. And these were Westsiders, the cream of the crop!

It's a money game, Buddy. It always has been. Now, some wiseguys certainly have more "morals" than others. But you shouldn't be shocked by anything they do.

The DeMeo involvement in child porn is disgusting. Roy DeMeo and his crew in general seem like very sick fucks. I believe they killed a few women and other people who were not involved in the mob. Killing other criminals is one thing, killing some 19 year old girl because she was in the wrong place is really evil.
Tommy Karate Pitera is another one that seems like a sick fuck. He did torture some of his victims before killing. I am not a big Philip Carlo fan, but read the book he wrote about Pitera, the killing of that guy Stern is fucked up.
The Campisis (Genovese associates) in Newark, NJ kidnapped an innocent guy out of a store parking lot, murdered him and buried him in an unmarked grave in a swamp in the early 70s. All because they thought he MIGHT be able to testify against them in a robbery case.(he wasn't testifying) It's in the book Deal by Harvey Aronson.

agree

The story about Nino Gaggi killing that kid who broke his nose (after Gaggi took a swing at him with a hammer) always struck me as petty. A fight's a fight, killing a kid just because you lost is just pathetic.

charles carneliga is a nutjob as well killed an innocent court house offical in the 70s and a guard in the 90s during a robbery

who was that polish guy who was doing hits for mob in new york and jeresy richie something i know he made up alot but apparently he fed a guy to rats. He would kill guys for fun he would kill homeless people to train himself

he killed nobody with roy

who richie k i thought he was a demeo associate

charles never met demeo the guard was charles and bobby boreillo and the court house offical was charles and maybe johnny carneliga

So would it be fair/accurate to say that about 50% of guys in LCN have commited rape in their life?

Morals ?? Killing his innocent neighbor, openly cheating on his wife, selling junk etc...Moral less !!

& who in their right mind was going to get in the way of Paul & his monies?

Like previously mentioned I think the most savage examples of mob violence come from Italy. For instance the recent story of the slain 'Ndrangheta clan leader who was ambushed in a car with his grandson and girlfriend, they shot dead everyone including the 3 year old boy.

The Honored Society of Calabria my ass. Hope they enjoy their remaining time on earth because they're going to fry for eternity.

Was Castellano's daughter's boyfriend in the life or a civillian?

Book knowledge and movie bullshit. Richard Kuklinski never even knew Roy DeMeo. And DeMeo didn't know him. There's even doubt that he killed for the mob, the guy was a straight serial killer. And that movie The Iceman is 100 percent Hollywood bullshit.

never even saw the film

i thought he used to spend time around roy did not know if he killed for him. I just thought they had a friendly relationship never read.

To be honest i know little about richie k all i know is an article i read. I just heard he was a hitman for the decavs and spent time around roy and that he killed homeless guys for fun

There's serious doubts he was even mob affiliated. Like I said, the guy was a straight up serial killer. All that mob stuff didn't come until he himself was telling "his" story for book authors and HBO.


Read this.... http://swallowingthecamel.me/2013/07/17/the-iceman-lieth/

I think Kuklinski told a lot of bullshit but he made money somehow.He had a nice home and didn't go to work every morning like the average man.If he infact made his money in porn like is thought along with his "contract" killings.If he was in porn enough to make that kind of money he had to of come in contact with the mob I would think.But I couldn't even read the book by Carlo in was such horseshit

The guy wasn't exactly living lavish. As the article explains, 6 out of the 8 murders attributed to him, were business partners. Quite obvious how he made money, considering that. But he wasn't a mob hit man. He worked with nor for any mob guys or families.