Alite is no changed man. All that motivational speaker crap is a scam. If he was a changed man he would not be pushing a book full of lies. He contradicts himself in almost every interview.

JG minds his own business and takes care of his family. Alite is an insignificant insect to him.
And he's even said it-- in his book and interviews. The number one reason why he would never flip is his kids. To make his sons change their last names like the son of Mikey Scars?
JG wouldn't do that.

And Alite? Yea, he bitches and complains in every interview and to make himself 'relevant' he trashes the Gotti family.

He even put their name on the cover of his book instead of his own. JG's picture is bigger than his on it.

He got chased in 1991. Was involved only in minor drug dealing and home invasions, low level stuff after. He got sued for child support. He was no big multi-millionaire.

If he was a changed man he would admit in interviews how he testified in two separate trials to beating his wife and smacking around multiple women. The NY tabloids even wrote about it back then.

And then... GA ignored it for his book... and even wrote that Alite was there to comfort and defend a woman when she was abused... and presented him as "a good-bad-guy"...

Which was a lie.

Alite is no changed man. He's a super-rat.
A low level nobody who lied through his teeth and in desperation to convict JG rogue agents put him on the witness stand as 'the star witness' -- at the expense of the taxpayers -- where he lied through his teeth... and the jurors even said on television after that he had zero credibility.

Videos of it are on YouTube.

Yet GA propped him up in his book full of lies.
Alite is no changed man. Just a guy always complaining about the Gottis.

JG moved on a long time ago.

Alite should have too.

That's a plausible scenario, Belmont. You and I see eye to eye on just about everything. But there was more than one Gambino crew in the Bronx back then. Braciole, Greg, Wahoo, Tore was already acting. They all knew the guy was around.

How could Alite have been off the record when four skippers and God knows how many soldiers and associates knew? There would have been internal strife between the Bronx and Queens and we would have heard about it. Although, to be fair, fucking Greg sold Tore right down the river later on in the '90s. But that's neither here nor there.

And again, Alite's a fucking degenerate and violent piece of garbage. And I'll go so far as to say that Junior's version holds more water. But he's off about the time frame. It's been over twenty years. Maybe he's honestly confusing the years. But I remember them vividly because of the thing with Patsy Junior. I was on Arthur the morning it happened. I was at Gino's bullshitting with Hot Dog.

I didn't see it happen. But I saw the aftermath. Both that day, where I can still hear Riggy and his sister wailing. And later on that year, when it all came to a head. It was huge. Gambinos, Westside, an Albanian shooter with a rabbi. And Alite was part of it. Too many people were involved for it to have been a secret.

Its highly plausible that Alite was hanging around Zef post 91 despite being chased out of Queens. Zef was a bronx guy and we all know shit gets done on the sneak all day long when there is money involved. Perhaps Zef and Tore used Alite and never told Jr. That would be likely.
My impression of the actual story is that Alite was chased from queens because the queens crew felt Alite was a loose cannon,not trust worthy, and eventually going to get arrested for some low life cowboy shit that may cause him to cooperate.
That said, the bronx guys knew Alite was albanian and could maybe use him on the sneak for certain things. Thats my impression although my good frind PB would know much more.
Alite does attempt to make it sound as though every LCN family in NYC and Philly were fighting over him in order to take full advantage of his criminal genious. Lol.. its absurd.

Guys, I know a bit about both from various 2nd (possibly 3rd) hand sources, read all the books and the info on here as well. I know they are both basically scumbags, but since their fall out, Alite always seems to have come across a bit more honest about the situation and, in a way, regretful about his past - Gotti seems like he wants to give some ambiguous impression that you don't want to fuck with him still since he's a "mean dude" (not my opinion at all, just my observation).

What's your opinion of them now, based on what theyve both said after it all?

To help, heres a Gotti interview with his lawyer (I wouldnt trust either with even the steam off my piss by the way)

http://youtu.be/MIly1bArKh8

Heres Alite, I know its longer but you dont have to watch it all. Any person without knowledge of the situation would surely think Alite is more truthful?

http://youtu.be/0Gu9tJE4BD4

Alite was around in Queens with John after 91,92,93+..especially in Howard Beach..

Correct. All I'm arguing is the time frame. Because I couldn't give a loose bowel movement about either of these guys.

No surveillance was presented of them together post-1991 at the Gotti trial.
If Alite was around him after 91 they would have presented pictures.
Also, Carnesi introduced into evidence a letter Alite wrote in 1993 trying to ingratiate himself with Gotti, saying that he missed him, etc.

Still didn't say what time period you were referring to by "prior to Scores".

He was at Cafe Dion on Morris Park and Bronxdale with Zef all the time. That place is long gone now. But it was an Albanian place that played Italian music and catered to a mostly Italian crowd back then.

Whether he was with Junior or not after '91 doesn't really matter. You said he was chased, and we're telling you that's bullshit. You do know what 'chased' means right?

off topic but speaking of Morris Park, one of the DEA's favorite wiseguys( a joke) with the luccheses is coming home soon

First off, it's Thanksgiving. I have too much on my plate today to worry about providing proof. The burden of proof falls upon you because of your blind denial and the fact that, judging from your book links, you were still a kid when it all went down. But just keep in mind that right after Gotti and Frankie were sentenced, they went to great lengths to avoid surveillance.

However, being that you seem to be a genuinely nice guy, and my pal Dan asked me to give you a break awhile back, I will. You just have to do me one favor. Just ask Junior if he regrets throwing in with Greg and Craig, in favor of Tore and Richie. He'll know what I mean, even if he claims ignorance. If he can give me a simple "Yes, I regret that," you have my word that I'll never post about the subject matter again.

Happy Thanksgiving.

Yes he is also home im like 90 percent sure i know who u r talking about

pizza i have a question is Andrew "Andy Campo" Campos and richie martino still involved in the life because i have heard locasico is no longer involved but i was wondering about these two are they both no longer in the life

Tore is OUT. By his own will. Richie's in the process. And Andy will eventually go the same route. Bet on it.