i doubt they were getting anything esp geogre and stev. Geogre had his own rackets his loansharking operation he ran through his brother and lou moncellao. Steve why would he get any money. Joey might have got some but no way 25 percent remember the entire merlino crew was convicted in 2001 ligambi had stanio mousie Joe “Crutch” Curro he had a strong organization and he was the top guy why would he need to kick up 25 percent to merlino what could merlino

now dont get me wrong i think joey was getting some envelopes but they were too keep him happy joey had no idea about the day to day he was getting moved around different prisons constantly through the 2000s how would he even know what 25 percent

now when marty angelini got released i think the only reason he got made underboss was out of respect for merlino but i dont think marty really knew any of the big things that was stanio mousie and ligambi and he was not making big money i mean marty was the underboss and he was scamming geogres guys for 2k spitting on cops fighting with his wife i doubt ligambi would be around someone like that

when steve got out he prob got a piece of the pie johnny chang was always a earner he could set up his own things.

i do always wonder if ligambi and those guys had not been busted in 2011 things could have got interesting with merlino and his guys all getting out would ligambi have been willing to give up the top spot to steve and joey


what the fuck does that loser who was ratting on geogre in the can know i mean the guy was looking for a way out of the can he was a jail house informer they can never be trusted and what the fuck does geogre know he and ligambi were beefing him and marty were beefing only thing he knew on the streets was from lou moncellao

I thought Johnny Chang was made before all of them ,By Scarfo.... ? [/quote]

I thought the same thing. Johnny was one of last guys made by Scarfo.

Maybe cause he was just acting boss. Ligambi i think knew his place in that aspect and Joey was the BOSS even tho he was doing a 12year bid. They gave him that seat he obviously had to kick to them . ( or to someone) . I think Ligambi was going to become underboss or maybe even under that when Joey was released ( I think the tapes show that in Jersey. )
Ligambi had a nice little crew around him, I think that was one of the best things to happen he did alot of good for philly lcn.
Marty I've heard was really name only in underboss. ( I think him getting beat up at the bar by "neighborhood guys " says it all. (Name only ) .
What is the guess on Ligambi clearing on average in those 10-12 years ? Curious

That's all BS, gangster report. All signs point to Ligambi faithfully serving in Merlino and Co's absence. Merlino clearly has an iron grip on the family. You really think Ligambi's crew would of tried to challenge Merlino's crew? They started a war to get on top, they'd fight another one to stay there. Even if there wasn't an indictment in 2011, I think Mazzone and Chang would of taken the #2 and #3 spots until Ligambi died/retired.

I thought Johnny Chang wasn't made yet because he was still serving a prison sentence.

Here's an interesting newspaper quote from Johnny Chang's lawyer in 1989:

"Much has been mentioned about his father," who is in prison on a 1982 federal racketeering conviction, Nastasi said. Nastasi referred to a letter to the judge from Ciancaglini's father in behalf of his son in which the father accepted responsibility for his own crimes.

Nastasi noted that while other Ciancaglini sons had been "initiated and made members" of the Nicodemo Scarfo crime family, John Ciancaglini had not.

"There are sons younger and older who are involved in a much more serious way. That should weigh in his favor," Nastasi told Gawthrop.

I think that article is flat out wrong. Here's whats actually documented through law enforcement and our current knowledge of things. Mikey Chang was made in the early 90's alongside Merlino by John Stanfa. Joey Ciancaglini was made around this same time period, but prior to Mikey & Joey Merlino being made, he too was made by Stanfa and then promptly promoted to Underboss. And I think there's only three Chang brothers. So if both of these guys weren't inducted until the 90's, then whom are these "other" Ciancaglini sons who had been "initiated & made members"? John Ciancaglini was one of the last guys inducted by Scarfo, while I could be off on that, I'm 90% certain of that to be the case.

I've posted this before - and I could be wrong as well - but I'm nearly certain that Johnny Chang was inducted by Merlino once he came home from prison in 1995, not by Scarfo. According to the Pennsylvania Crime Commission, there were 42 guys inducted by Testa/Scarfo/Piccolo from the time Testa took over in April 1980 until the last making ceremony conducted by Piccolo in 1990 (which was recorded by George Fresolone).

I uploaded a screenshot of those 42 names:





Obviously the list was put together with the help of cooperating witnesses, ie. Caramandi, DelGiorno, Merlino, and Leonetti. There was also a newspaper article that I've posted before from when Johnny Chang was coming home from prison in 1995 and the reporter contemplated which faction of the splintered crime family he would return to. He was named as a "mob associate" in this article.

http://articles.philly.com/1995-01-06/news/25712825_1_john-stanfa-joseph-skinny-joey-merlino-mob

Nice list K1ng!

Speakin' of salvie & women,my wife was just reading a book called 6000 days of us about rosina rucci & her life & love w/salvie ,i glanced through it & could'nt stop..weird but interesting..tells of thier childhood together,lovers as teens & so forth,she claims that thier love was so deep that he occasionally "visits" her in her sleep...made me also wonder if this chick could be one of the reasons he dropped maria..i dont know,just thought i'd throw that out there.

Its a book about a girl that was in love with Sal Testa? Crazy stuff.

she grew up with him,first as children and became best friends plutonically,then as teens, fell in love ,lived 3 houses down from the testa's on porter st.,,both mothers were good friend's ,she knew his whole family & vice versa..wife found it online for like $3.00.

6000 Days of Us by Rosina Rucci,google her name ,you'll have many results.

Marty Angelina is Skinny's daughters God Father, for what it's worth.....

http://articles.philly.com/1996-11-18/ne...s-mob-underboss

Is the article right about Ciancaglini's height being 6 ft. 1?

Someone here said he was well under that.

Johnny Chang is 6'1 at least

Good find, my man. I am proven wrong. And now that I think about it, I think he may have been made by Natale exactly, I think I recall reading that somewhere. I think. Not too sure on that.

Recent Gangland article by George Anastasia/Jerry Capeci, titled "Who's The Big Joe?" goes into the current boss situation and what I was saying about Chickie Chang on the first page. The article itself specifically states "..Joseph "Chickie" Ciancaglini, after doing a 25-year bit for racketeering, who says he's enjoying his freedom and is not interested in the old life". Like I said, Chickie is fine where he's at. They also confirm Scotts articles on Philly, and are essentially saying the same things he's said months ago in regards to Borgesi & Angelina and Borgesi making noise.

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A pretty reliable source on the other forums, claim one of the Baldino's whom Phil Narducci is supposedly "at war" with..Keep in mind "at war" being a figure of speech. But anyway, the guy gets stabbed at a party for Johnny Garbarino, leader of the 10th & O crew, who's close to Phil. Garbarino has supposedly been recruited by Borgesi in the past, and supposedly all of the mob guys wanted him with them, he basically told them to go fuck themselves and stayed around Phil, that explains his relationship with the 10th & O crew.


Again, not my info, just sharing what's already been said elsewhere.

I also heard a similar story that SinatraClub is talking about. Seems like some old bullshit getting ready to start up. I was told that this Narducci kids nephew started up some shit at a strip club. Was told this kid robbed Narducci of a club and restaurant. They say the kid is on steroids and is not liked at all. Anyway I hear he definitely got tuned up for spitting towards his uncle. SinatraClub mentioned anouter forum about this but I could not find it?

Wait... a non made guy that is in the 10th and O gang took a club and bar from Narducci??

And this guy is supposed to take on Merlino and company for the top spot?

hahaha

this is exactly what dude on real deal said that sinatra is talking about...


This happened last week..Garbs had his Christmas party and there was about 50 or so people there his whole crew and Phil narducci was there and a friend of mine who was with Philip and Johnny Garbs..so after the party they all go to a strip club. Garb,s his crew, Phil and bunch others..After a while Garbs leaves with a bunch of guys and Phil and a crew stay behind partying..so who walks in the door?Philips nephew who he is at war with..some time passes by the nephew is getting ready to leave and what happens next?the nephew gets stabbed in the neck with a broken bottle..not a very serious cut but hit with it none the less..so now things are getting very very interesting..I know some of you are going to ask who did the stabbing,im not saying for obvious reasons..it will come out and let it be more open and then i will fill in the blanks..

and another post said...

Garbs is Johnny garbarino one of the leaders of the 10th and O crew..still has a ton of guys around him and he is very close to Phil..he hates most of the mob guys there and they stay out of his way.
I also heard Borghesi tried kissing up to him and tried to recruit him not long ago..trust me,they all want him on there side..he has told them to go fuck themselves and they do nothing..Phil is his guy..
Garbs knows that the nephew and screwed Philip over and knows the whole story..

Dunno about the part of a club and restaurant being taken over from Narducci, or where it came from. But the rest is pretty accurate as far as what that poster on RD said. And it's supposedly one of the Baldino's whom is being spoken about, and as we've learned one of them were recently made. So, who knows what will or already has gone down.

Word on the street is that this Baldino kid is no good and is hanging around Johnny Chang. All the other guys dislike this kid but for some reason Johnny Chang thinks the world of this kid. They also said that this Baldinos mother who is Narducci's sister tried desparately to put her brother back in jail. Even the Baldino kids father has been seen meeting with various law enforcement. This can get very interesting! Joe the boss Merlino has also warned Chang to stay away from this kid but I guess the $$$ outways morals.

You talk about Frank Baldino Baldino or Joseph or someone else?
For the latest news Frank Baldino was inducted into the family he became a soldier.

Anyone hear which strip club in Philly this went down at? I am going to bet either Delilahs or Cheerleaders. I always see Philly guys at those places when I go to them after seeing either my Mets, Knicks, Devils, or college hoops in the South Philadelphia Sports Complex....

Don't see how Merlino could tell Johnny Chang to stay away from Baldino, when Merlino reportedly signed off for him to be inducted. Interesting, to say the least.

its joey merlino nothing ever makes sense with the guy i dont think he cares about the the induction cermonary he will let anyone in if he knows he will make $$$ bobby lusi a perfect example a low level guy who was seen as a joke within in New England couldent earn joey let him in because he promised 10k a month

Take the baldino guys father was the man john veasey killed in front a dinner? Read somewhere they all close to Chang like next door neighbors or so. Anyway if the guy is really a inducted member he probaly wouldn't get stabbed and when there's a mother made guy there right? It's a bad look if so. Don't all the members have to go and avenge this. The guy couldn't have been that hated if they inducted him recently isn't it one guy says no and it can't happen.

Philadelphia Family is one of the family that the youngest members if Frank Baldino 28 years, Andrew Micali 31years, Vincent Procopio 50 have been inducted there are few.
In the same way as Dominic Grande only 35 years.
There are also Douglas Rubino 37 years, Joseph Baldino Jr 31 years and others do you think in the other families of the American mafia there are as polling?
And there he had some new members in the Philadelphia family or other.

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