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Re: Is Lucky Luciano considered a rat
[Re: Scalish]
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12/20/15 08:58 AM
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I've often had the same thought, I never understood why he got a pass but people reviled Bonnano. Lanky did the same thing to Waxy Gordon if I'm not mistaken, and Carlo,whom Gotti called a " rat motherfucker, back doors mother fucker" did it to Genovese, Ormento, Gigante, Galante, all kinda heavyweights. Carlo also rewarded Colombo for ratting out his bosses. There is even an Al Profit documentary on Frank Matthews, and the guy was convinced Castellano and Gambino sicked the DEA on him cause he moved on Todt Hill. And Alfa is kinda right... Guys like Genovese killed Mafiosi who "ratted out" other Mafiosi to him. The thing is, the WORST gangsters win, it's something a lotta people don't get. Also ive said it before, soldiers know the rules, respect the rules, live and die by the rules. Bosses understand, THERE ARE NO RULES, it's an illusion created for control... I love the ending of the novel THE Sicilian, where Vito sells out Turi Guiliano, and Michael is all hurt like " Pop, how could you do it, he's a hero?" And Vito is like, " Yeah, son heroes, that ain't us, we're the BAD GUYS, you better fuckin learn quick if you want to stay alive" lol
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Re: Is Lucky Luciano considered a rat
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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12/20/15 11:37 AM
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Put it this way, a lot of these guys read The Prince right? “You must recognize that there are two ways of fighting: by means of law, and by means of force. The first belongs properly to man, the second to animals; but since the first is often insufficient, it is necessary to resort to the second. Therefore, a prince must know how to use both what is proper to man and what is proper to beasts” Excerpt From: Machiavelli, Niccolò. “The Prince.” Bantam Classic, 2012-02-22. iBooks. This material may be protected by copyright. Check out this book on the iBooks Store: https://itun.es/us/Zkucz.l
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Re: Is Lucky Luciano considered a rat
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12/20/15 04:11 PM
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I've often had the same thought, I never understood why he got a pass but people reviled Bonnano. Lanky did the same thing to Waxy Gordon if I'm not mistaken, and Carlo,whom Gotti called a " rat motherfucker, back doors mother fucker" did it to Genovese, Ormento, Gigante, Galante, all kinda heavyweights. Carlo also rewarded Colombo for ratting out his bosses. There is even an Al Profit documentary on Frank Matthews, and the guy was convinced Castellano and Gambino sicked the DEA on him cause he moved on Todt Hill. And Alfa is kinda right... Guys like Genovese killed Mafiosi who "ratted out" other Mafiosi to him. The thing is, the WORST gangsters win, it's something a lotta people don't get. Also ive said it before, soldiers know the rules, respect the rules, live and die by the rules. Bosses understand, THERE ARE NO RULES, it's an illusion created for control... I love the ending of the novel THE Sicilian, where Vito sells out Turi Guiliano, and Michael is all hurt like " Pop, how could you do it, he's a hero?" And Vito is like, " Yeah, son heroes, that ain't us, we're the BAD GUYS, you better fuckin learn quick if you want to stay alive" lol Another spot on analysis Cabrini, bravo!!!
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Re: Is Lucky Luciano considered a rat
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12/21/15 04:27 AM
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Ooh, I forgot one, in the Outfit, the heirs of Capone, they apparently fed Capones info to the IRS to get rid of him, so there is that too lol This is stated in Gus Russo's "The Outfit", while there is some suspicion that guys like Humphreys, Giancana, Accardo & Battaglia fed the IRS agents info to get rid of Capone. There isn't much to support the claim. Also, Russo points out that Humphrey's & Guzik actually tried and managed to fix the jury for Capone, and it worked, they got to some of the jurors. Problem was, the judge and prosecutors found this out right before the case began and on a whim, switched juries at the beginning of the trial. Which angered Capone and the rest of the guys, especially Humphrey's, because that wasn't an easy job to get to THOSE jurors, as they were sequestered. And he felt it was all for nothing, his work that is.
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Re: Is Lucky Luciano considered a rat
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12/21/15 01:23 PM
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I meant to type Ricca, but ended up thinking of Giancana while also mentioning Accardo. I not too sure Campagna would've been involved in a plot like that, he was supposedly pretty loyal to Capone. And Curly Humphrey's was well on his way up prior to Capone even being indicted. Humphrey's was the working force behind a lot of Capone's business takeovers. I don't think anyone was necessarily trying to get rid of Capone, or that one of his guys were feeding the tax guys info. I'm not sure they ever did. This was covered in "The Outfit" as well. Capone's tax indictment was literally something of happenstance somewhat. A bookmaking and gambling den that he controlled was raided at one point. I forget which law enforcement agency it was, but they basically found a book which had listed Capone's gambling assets, and the money he was making from the alcohol and other things. Nobody initially thought anything of it, and it was kept locked in a file cabinet for some years. While investigating Capone, that book was one of the things that was looked into, and they saw that his earnings for that time period didn't match what he was putting into his taxes. One thing led to another and he was indicted. However, after Capone was put away, guys did little to help him out on an appeal, which supposedly could've been a real option.
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Re: Is Lucky Luciano considered a rat
[Re: DiLorenzo]
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12/22/15 06:28 PM
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So they claim he gave up a couple of jews as a kid, he never gave up any of his friends, quite the contrary, he made them all very, very rich and powerful..These guys give info on their rivals all the time This supposed stash that he allegedly gave up, was discovered in a property which was owned by Steve Armone. This is mentioned in the book "The Mob & The City", the author himself had access to documentation which proved this actually did happen, but that documentation which goes into detail, is no longer available. Would Steve Armone not be considered a friend to Luciano?
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