More recent war? More flamboyant gangsters?

I think the purpose of killing somebody who doesn't pay is to scare the next person who is extorted into paying.(thinking they might get killed because the last person didn't pay and look what happened to them.

But that might scare people into the arms of the Feds.

It's a delicate balance.

They want to keep these guys under their thumb.

I think more might go the Feds now than in the past. Agreed on the delicate balance.
I guess if they want to continue your illegal business I guess that person has a choice.

What is interesting to me is how many people are interested in Philly, and actually seem more interested in Philly than NY. Philly is such a mess compared to NY. Even the Colombos destroy them on every level.

Merlino's suit would be the exact suit from The Mask with Jim Carey if it were yellow!

Phil & Frank aren't even on speaking terms supposedly. And maybe that's why. Its been known Phil & Frank haven't gotten along for quite some time. Thats why it's always suspected, and you hear of four Scarfo era factions. Two of them are supposedly headed by Frank and Phil. Frank is supposedly the one more "mob-connected". Phil considers himself independent.

They are a VERY interesting family. The more I learn about them the more I want to know. They really are a unique breed in Philly.

The Philly fam is so popular because of all the publicity they've caused. From Bruno's murder to multiple mob wars to Scarfo intentionally having people killed in public to the flashiness/high profile of Scarfo and Merlino and they are still one of the most active Mafia families in the country. Plus all the guys are so intertwined you'd think the family's history was a novel.

Yea I totally agree Ted, even as someone thats from outside Philly thats basically why they fascinate me..altho their dysfunction and lack of secrecy is sometimes comical..its like other than Ligambi and maybe 3 or 4 others theyve learned nothing from the past and the fact that its supposed to be a SECRET Society

on this board they are popular but they are never on the news or papers here anymore at all here in philly...the links posted here, yeah back in those days they were huge cuz joey was all over loving the spotlight

That's just a national trend. The Mafia isn't covered that much anywhere compared to the past. However, until very recently David S and George A were still all over these guys. Their 2011-13 trial was also extensively covered by the press.

Philly is not covered much by the local media here anymore either. Back in the 90s the local news and newspapers seemed to do a new story every week on Merlino, he was the most popular celebrity in the city. The trial in 2000 was a media circus everyday but once Ligambi took over it all went away, the 2 trials with Ligambi got no coverage at all aside from a few stories with Borgesi's family. The whole Merlino crew are all out now but despite them all over facebook they aren't covered like before. Perhaps because they are older and not the young hip guys like they were in the 90s, still surprising to me since news seems to be all celebrity gossip these days and these and their associates still seem to be living it up.

A very reliable source on the Real Deal Forum just posted that Phil Narducci and Johnny Chang's feud has reached an all time high and that there will be violence soon. Poster stated that Phil Narducci has the entire 10th and O crew behind him ready and willing to shoot 100% loyal to Narducci. Also said that Borgesi has been talking shit about 10th and O and he's hated by them as well...

The Ligambi trial was being covered everyday on sites like BigTrial.net. Don't know how you can say they got no coverage at all. The Nicky Skins tapes were being used in articles. Damn near everything about that trial was covered by Philly media.

It's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

With the amount of attention Philly media gives these mutts is it any wonder guys are attracted to that kind of lifestyle?

I wonder if this circus could start getting bloody

10th and orgeon are hardcore gangsters they don't scare from anyone

Thats somewhat the gist of it . He confirms that Steve doesn't take Narducci seriously, because Phil is basically alone on an Island with the 10th & Oregon guys, and nobody whos truly LCN will back him. And that the Philly LCN top brass are taking Johns side. Except the issue of him hanging out with Mariutti & Maria Testa, he says guys like Steve and Georgie Boy can't understand it. He said either someone is going to end up getting pinched or things MAY get somewhat physical. He also says that the Philly LCN never learn from there mistakes, so it's not known if things will actually reach the point of a "war". He says other Scarfo guys like Joe Pung respect Mazzone to a degree and will associate with him and Joey Merlino by extension. But that they really arent fond of Joey. Phil was one of those guys at one point, but after the whole Garbarino/Baldino situation, things got hot. Steve is now talking down on everyone affiliated with Narducci. Georgie Boy has entered the picture because he too is disrespecting Phil and the 10th & O guys. As he and the Philly LCN administration feel that like his brother, Frank, Phil should fall in line. Frank Narducci came home and basically "went with the flow". Phil on the other hand, called Merlino, Mazzone & Co, jokes basically, and said he didn't want anything to do with them. Thats really why they don't like Phil. The 10th & O guys are 100% behind Phil, because they look up to him. And Phil is putting them into the mood by basically shitting on the whole Philly Mob. Oh and lastly, Garbarino is threatening to break faces if anyone steps out of line with Phil. But he also says Phil really backed himself into a corner, because of his disrespect of the rules, pretty much the entire Philly Mob dislike him.


And everything Philly boy said was true.

what's the size of the 10th & 0 Crew these days?

Surely this is on course to be the most commented on & viewed thread for this section in the site's history?

You can't call testas sister a rat. The prosecutors called to the stand and asked her if people attended her brothers funeral. What's she gonna take the fifth. She grew up with all these people I'm guessing she's related to some of them. She was the bosses daughter. The rat label is way off base. IMO.

I agree 100% with Pmac, the code of the streets is that women and children can't/don't involved. She was basically called into court to talk about what she experienced after her brother was rubbed out

Pmac - Dante no doubt , but out of the guys mouths them selves they did have a problem with it and of course all there girl friends chimed in .

But that was all uncalled for of course .

Because she's the bosses daughter, that doesn't change the fact that she testified, in detail. And yes, she couldve taken the fifth had she actually wanted to, or just not shown up. They themselves referred to her as a rat, and she said a lot more than just answering if guys came to her brothers funeral, she testified about a lot more than "did they come to your brothers funeral or no?"...That whole, women and children are off limits is a myth. Debunked by the Luccheses, debunked by the 'Ndrangheta, and debunked by the Bruno-Scarfo family itself.

Online thought GA's website that's all. Remember the 2000 trial? That was on every local TV news everyday, Angelo Lutz who was out on bail was interviewed everyday before entering court and coming out after each day ended. The daily news dedicated a full page and sometimes 2 throughout. This past trial and eveb the retrial of Ligambi and Borgesi very rarely made local news let alone being one of the lead stories like the Merlino and crew was.

Listen I know the story 100%. I go to Stogie Joes and hear the talk and know all the players. Whoever hands these guys money that is who they are friends with. No loyalty or honor left. They hate Narducci because he has no time for them at all and he knows what they are about. All jealousy. Pung is another guy who stays to himself and they hate him because he hangs around Nicky Whip which they all say is a rat. Now I hear Marty A wants no part of them either. I guess there numbers are plummetting now. So now they will have to recruit more misfits to take these guys spots.

I wonder why frank narducci followed those guys and philip did not

Philip is a hard core gangster looks like leonettis prediction that philip is a real gangster is right I can see him and the 10th getting violent with the Philly mob wonder who Frank narducci would back. Also George is with Steve. I can see things getting violent and would the Philly mob win? I mean they don't have that many shooters any more Dom grande and few others and the 10th and oregon they are full of killers them vs the Philly mob. I can imagine guys like borgesi taking part in hits when they are in there 50s

Phil Leonetti said that Phil Narducci was the one to watch and the real gangster in that city and in the same paragraph said he always though that Frank Narducci Jr was always just "along for the ride". That would explain Frank's complacency in falling in line upon his release.

How is Stogie Joes? I'm going to find myself in South Philly in a few weeks and was thinking of trying it out? How is the food? The atmosphere?

Yo Philly mob is stronger then ever. There is alot more to it then the guys you read about. Anybody that fucks with these guys is crazy there is hundreds of young guys in area that want to be involved and are ready to kill to get there name out there. I know about 100 personally and some are sharper then ypu think. When Staino gets out the power will be sky high. The jealous people will say different but we all know how that is. If your not a hardcore gangster be fucking careful