F1,

By reading the headlines the past few weeks, CLEARLY there is an agenda to derail Ben Carson. Depending on the political slant of the outlet....they will cover up or brush of transgressions by a candidate they are promoting and then vilify a candidate they are against for the SAME actions.

Has happened numerous times.There was a former Klan member elected official who died a few years back who happened to have a (D)next to his name and ,of course, his obituary and the words spoken at his funeral were about "forgiveness".."changing" "correcting our errors" in most of the media. Senator Byrd. We both know that if there was an (R) next to his name...the news segments would have been accompanied by Klan imagery and burning crosses. It all stinks which is why I just read the headlines....chuckle...go back to what I was doing before reading the headlines.

Media bias or not though...what Carson wrote in that passage of the book is false. There are technically no scholarships to service academies....your admission and commitment to serve is your "scholarship". I consider what was written as stretching the truth more than an outright lie, but he wrote a false story.

Gets,

In regard to your last paragraph, all I can say is "check the links." If you do a Google Books search of "Black Enterprise" and "West Point" you will see that during the early 1990s that West Point in fact did have scholarships and used the word. Like I wrote, in West Point's own ad it says that in one year that 1200 scholarships were given out. It also spells out what is meant by scholarship: free tuition and free room and board. In Carson's case we're talking about 45 years ago. So maybe they don't do it now, but in their own words, they did it then.

http://www.google.com/search?num=100&safe=off&tbm=bks&q=%22black+enterprise%22+%22west+point%22+scholarship&oq=%22black+enterprise%22+%22west+point%22+scholarship&gs_l=serp.12...15451.17788.0.27434.12.12.0.0.0.0.141.1096.0j9.9.0....0...1.1.64.serp..12.0.0.DAE8B3aH_Ak

Every appointee cadet at WP is on a scholarship. The USMA doesn't charge anyone tuition, it's paid by the army. The cadets pay the army back with a minimum of 5 years service upon graduation.

They are also paid while attending WP, current rate is $7200 per year. They're responsible for paying certain of their own expenses from this pay, part of which is deposited directly into a cadet account.


I'll be kind on this and say he misled, as opposed to lied. He wrote the book 20 years ago, when he probably had no idea that he would run for the nomination. He was writing an 'inspirational' biography.

If West Point can pay for ads in magazines saying that they have scholarships, then Carson neither lied nor misled. He's saying what West Point itself says.

F1,

It would have been truthful for Carson to have said that he was encouraged to apply to West Point. Some of my teammates in high school, including an early mentor of mine*...ended up applying to service academies.Very long process to apply and it's not just based on a gpa, or board scores. Not as though somebody at the institutions just saw someone's transcript/school record and could give them a slot for admission.
Carson never sent an application to West Point .He was not offered admission to West Point, so in no way can he truthfully write that he was "offered a scholarship" there.

I read the BE ad, and that's actually a good pull because the ad actually uses the term "scholarship". Whether one subscribes to the idea that service academies don't offer scholarships or to the idea that every midshipman,cadet,etc there is on scholarship, Carson's claim that he was offered a scholarship to WP is in no way accurate.

Exactly.


Now we have to get to the bottom of his attempted stabbing claims and his trying to hit his mother with a hammer. This calls for an extended one-on-one interview with Ben Carson, conducted by Brian Williams

@helenwheels,

Yeah and the fact that these issues are coming up now just bolster F1's point about some in media out to get Carson off track.

I've read about Carson since I was a kid.I'm certain I read the first Ebony magazine article about him, and in fact I was asked to record the Cuba Gooding tv/cable film about his life and burn to dvd for a youth church group.

Before Carson got involved in politics(and apparently on the "wrong side") he was a media hero. The violent past he had and the incidents were taken as truth in every book,report,article or interview about him EVER.

When candidate runs for national office, of course everything gets super scrutinized BUT 99% of the time the candidate did worse things than what they've admitted. Carson is being challenged for not being as much of a delinquent as he claimed. Only other time I've seen this angle taken is when rappers are called out for being "studio gangsters" by other rappers for lying about the violence or crimes in their songs.

Carson is not a career politician, so the standard grime attached to candidates just isn't there. He appears to have been a faithful husband, so that kind of grime doesn't exist either.

If the best the media has on you is that you weren't offered a scholarship to a service academy and that you didn't stab people or attack your mother..I'd say you're ahead of the game.

It is interesting that all of the media has not been able to get shit on Thrump. the next debate is on the economy. Unlike the other who did not ask shit on the economy.

None of the people on the next debate know more about the economy then Thrump.

Don't forget those New York Times articles on Marco Rubio's parking tickets. Four tickets over 17 years in Florida. Yeah, that was a major news story worthy of publication in the supposed "newspaper of record." It's these kinds of petty-ass stories that the left-wing media likes to use to go after GOP politicians. How about the story on Mitt Romney's dog in a cage on top of the car when they were traveling in the 1970s? I remember people doing that and it was no big deal, yet he was denounced as being supposedly cruel to animals. Then they went after him for a single bullying incident in high school. Funny that I don't recall the media ever looking into Bill Clinton's or Al Gore's or Obama's high school past for bullying incidents.
They do this because they want to make them seem mean and unlikable.

Now their target is a hero to the black community (and to many others), a man who did 15,000 surgeries and saved lives, a man who personally donated at least a million dollars of his own money to charity and has his own charitable foundation. A man who talks softly and almost always has a smile on his face. Yes, he stated that he personally believes that the Egyptian pyramids were used to store grain, and there's no evidence to support that. So what? How does that affect policy or anyone else's life?

The point is, the debate should be about policy. Often, however, even when policy is discussed it's a straw man version. Recall that the Democrats a few years ago made a video of Paul Ryan throwing grandma over a cliff. New York Congressman Charles Rangel regularly compared GOP politicians to Nazis and the Klan and I can't recall a single time that Democrat politicians repudiated that kind of speech, but I can recall Ben Carson challenged on calling Obamacare "the worst thing since slavery." I personally disagree with Carson's hyperbole and think that it's extreme and unwarranted, and much of the media agrees. But why doesn't that same media call out Democratic politicians when they engage in hyperbole? That is Carson's point in recent press conferences and interviews. There's a double-standard, and that double-standard should be obvious to anyone with an IQ of more than 10 who watches or reads the news.

What's with this Carson stuff and West Point? And Trump was fantastic on SNL. He's got it in spades!

The media is going thru Carson's books trying to verify everything. That's hard to do going back 50 years. There's also a desire to show that he's a liar to ruin his credibility. Yesterday I saw a new hit piece in the Wall Street Journal claiming that a story Carson told about an incident that happened at Yale never happened. Carson said he took a class called Perception, then the author said he spoke to someone at Yale who told him that they never had a class by that name. Today Carson posted to his Facebook page a copy of a class syllabus for a class called...wait...PERCEPTION. These "reporters" do a little superficial research then give up and say because they didn't find it, it doesn't exist.

It's also possible that Carson, in trying to recall things from many years earlier, might be off on a couple things by a day, a week, or a month. If you were to ask me the name of the elementary school I went to, I couldn't tell you. When I was growing up I moved around a lot. How many people writing a book when they are 40 or 50 or 60 years old are going to remember specific dates in their childhood? I bet it wouldn't be very many. Doesn't mean that the person is lying -- which is defined as a "deliberate intent to deceive" -- but is merely mistaken on the chronology. So if Carson wrote in his book that he met with General Westmoreland in May but the meeting actually happened in February, it does not mean that the meeting never happened. Carson just got the month wrong. Instead of the media seeing it that way, they twist it to mean that he never met with the general at all.

Hmm. I thought this thread was about Trump. He's a loud mouth buffoon. I could just see him in England meeting the queen, "so what's with the hat?"

Did you know that Trump hit on Princess Di after her divorce from Charles? True story.

[quote=MaryCas]Hmm. I thought this thread was about Trump. He's a loud mouth buffoon. I could just see him in England meeting the queen, "so what's with the hat?" [/quot

He probably has met the Queen

Good debate tonight on fox business all about the economy. Should not miss it.

Never heard of a guy getting so much heat for NOT committing a crime.


here is the made for cable film about Carson's life



I remember the film, because like I said I recorded it for a pastor to show a group of teens.

the re-enactment of the stabbing takes place at roughly 42 minute mark

the alleged hammer incident with his mom..at 40:43 mark

no audio

Id hate to think Trump could be president, but it is refreshing he speaks his mind (I think he does at least, unless even that is managed by flunkies)..anyway, here's a really honest opinion of him:

http://youtu.be/vFIjdZ75xgo

There's petition flying around online at the moment to ban Trump from the UK in light of his recent comments about banning muslims from entering the US -its hit nearly half a million signatures so far. So much for free speech...what we do apparently find acceptable though (without even being able to talk about a petition for fear of being beaten down as "racist") are so called Islamic "hate preachers" to shout on for hours in local parks in London about how much they hate the UK and trying their best to cause divides and encourage a jihad.

I heard some asshole on the radio this morning asking how Trump would feel if the UK decided to ban all Americans from entering the UK...and actually being given a platform to explain her point!! WTF! There's also talk about boycotting his business ventures here...that'll obviously just hit the people trying to earn a living but the rabid minority just want their way.

Luckily, another petition has started to NOT ban him from the UK and its at 400k...probably a safer way of free speech than other methods mind you, just ask Charlie Hebdo HQ in France.

I am though, thinking about starting a petition to ban online petitions...!

He is for real and i commend his will to bring all the important issues to the forefront .

England just banned Thrump from going to England because all the talk about banning muslems from the US.

I did not know England has been completely taken over by Muslims. Makes me want to visit them

Hey, just what we need in America.. a rude President.

whether people like it or not, trump will get the republican nomination for president,

shows you what happens to a party when they let the far right take over.
he can never win, and he will cause the republicans losing the senate and house.

republican party will pay a heavy price come November, trump will destroy the party.

Just like what happened under Obama on the extreme left. But once we get to owing 21 trillion it will be too late for us in any case.

IMO Big mistake for Trump to align himself with Sarah Palin.

Whoopi Goldberg said if Thrump was elected President she would leave the country.

Terrific reason to vote for Thrump.

Rosie the Pig O'Donnell said the same thing.

^ Enough said! We're just finishing up eight years of bullshit. Its time for a radical change. And if he doesnt stick to his word, at least you know we'll have interesting news to tune into. Look at everything Obama wanted and got because he said so. Why cant Trump do the same? He needs to team up with a strong military leader with great knowledge of foreign policy. I just wish somebody would explain why I bust my ass and make a good living but get penalized with taxes and receive absolutely no reward. But some female who came here illegally can have three kids and get free insurance, housing, food stamps, maybe even a cell phone, big fat tax returns, and free college for all her kids. Its time to clean this liberal country up. Sorry for the tangent, just got home from work and I felt like venting.

Don't be fooled by that. No matter what they get its not enough to have a good life on.

Obama likes to talk about the middle class. What he is talking about is lower middle class not about people getting to upper middle class.

Plus when you raise taxes you will also have to raise taxes on the middle class not just the rich to pay for those things.