His ass

That number is false

That's your problem right there. You're info comes from Google. Mine comes from the street. I rarely comment unless it's about the jersey Guys... That's because I can speak on them first hand. Regulars will cosign that.

Let me guess, you're a young kid dreaming of become a guy of the streets, but you're to chicken shit and spoiled to make it, so you sit here and act tough.

I'm sorry I am not from America, but I read books and articles on various sites like most of the people here probably do. I can see how real gangsters might be on this site, and if you're a toughboy then I am wrong but please, don't come here and brag because if your info actually comes from the streets you're likely to be fed bullshit by guys who wants to enlight a better picture of themselves.

I actually find google more reliable because much of this is information taken from various newarticles for example who got their information by the Government.

I don't want to seem defensive but you got that disgusting vibe about you that makes me dislike you.

You got me. You win.

Bobby Pazzo is 100% legitimately in tune with the streets here in Jersey, we have compared notes and we both are the same age, know the same things about the same people that you weirdos from Europe and Middle America cant Google. Bobby Pazzo, these idiots have no clue!! I only post about Jersey and Philly because I know Jersey from growing up here and knowing a few guys from my neighborhood "in the streets" and I got to know a little bit about Philly when I dated a South Philly girl in my younger years, still keep in touch with a few neighborhood South Philly guys I met through her.....Trust me, there's some stuff that you just can't Google or that investigators haven't uncovered/exposed yet!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucchese_crime_family_New_Jersey_faction

In 2004, the New Jersey Commission of Investigation stated that the Lucchese crime family had about 50 members active in New Jersey.[1] The New Jersey faction is currently led by capo Ralph Perna, who took over in 2007.

know the same things about the same people that you weirdos from Europe and Middle America cant Google. Bobby Pazzo, these idiots have no clue!!

Bobby Pazzo is 100% legitimately in tune with the streets here in Jersey, we have compared notes and we both are the same age, know the same things about the same people that you weirdos from Europe and Middle America cant Google. Bobby Pazzo, these idiots have no clue!! I only post about Jersey and Philly because I know Jersey from growing up here and knowing a few guys from my neighborhood "in the streets" and I got to know a little bit about Philly when I dated a South Philly girl in my younger years, still keep in touch with a few neighborhood South Philly guys I met through her.....Trust me, there's some stuff that you just can't Google or that investigators haven't uncovered/exposed yet!!

Stay classy, my friend..

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bobby knows what he i talking about he knows alot about these guys he is no bullshitter anything he says about jeresy is fact he has seen more than most people on this site can even imagine...

Don't take it personal billy... Dante was just coming to my defense.

First, in general, stay away from Wikipedia if you want good info about the mob.

Second, you can read the actual report that's online. If you Google "Changing face of organized crime in New Jersey" you'll see the full PDF version. A shorter, easier to look at form of the report can be read at the link below.
http://mafianj.com/sci2004/index.shtml

Third, here's the excerpt in question:

Despite the assaults by law enforcement and the apparent slowdown in membership recruitment, law enforcement authorities estimate the group still consists of from 110 to 140 members, with approximately 50 members active in New Jersey. The organization has at least 1,100 associates engaged in criminal activity primarily in New York, where the group’s hierarchy is located. New Jersey operations span Essex, Union,  Monmouth and Morris counties. Law enforcement authorities believe that most of the New Jersey members and associates of the Lucchese family reside and conduct much of their business in Morris County.

So, I suppose one can be excused for believing the family's New Jersey crew has 50 members, even though the report isn't referring to just that one crew. The family, of course, has other NY-based crews that have operations in New Jersey. In fact, the report talks about "commuter mobsters" who live elsewhere but travel to New Jersey for work.

However, I do question the figure rising to 50 even with them. The reason being, some other figures in that particular report seem to be inflated a little. The family would be a lot closer to 110 than 140 members. 100 members or so was the last estimate I saw. And half of them are active in New Jersey? That seems excessive. Especially when, elsewhere in the report, you have the Genovese family, which is said to have several crews based in the state, plus others that have operations there, only having 40 members active there. The 1,100 associates for the Luccheses also seems high compared to other estimates.

NJ used to recruit from NY until they got banned (If that's true?)

Could it be that if in some ancient times that NJ laid down the law that they had monopoly in NJ and all the membership from it belonged to them, that they would become stronger/as strong as the NY families? I mean half-ish of Philly is even based in jersey, or would many members still probably join NY and drive over the bridge everyday?

Same with the Tampa guys, they won't travel to NY. If Trafficante had monopoly, how many members do you think they've had?

Again, I know the families sent guys from NY to Florida but there has to be some local recruits, no? Someone Italian who said ''Fuck Tampa I'm goin' with The Gambinos''

Oh yes I forgot Cleveland. I feel Cleveland is really the next to become defunct. You really can't argue against that. What a sad piece of shit family. It's literally down to TWO douchebags.

Yes, that's true.



There was never a New Jersey family in a position to tell New York anything. You already had guys from NY active in Jersey and, as Raab talks about in his Five Families book, most of them ended up joining one of the NY families with the DeCavalcante family being the only family actually based there.

And what was left of the Trafficante family did affiliate themselves with the Gambinos. They were still Trafficante members but they aligned themselves with that NY family. Sort of the way the DeCavalcantes have done.

Oh yes I forgot Cleveland. I feel Cleveland is really the next to become defunct. You really can't argue against that. What a sad piece of shit family. It's literally down to TWO douchebags.

I seem to see Cleveland mentioned a lot in a lot of the big Vegas operations in the mid 20th century. With the low margins of todays criminal underworld, where drugs is THE primary industry, there's only enough room for the biggest and the most powerful mafia families, most being in NY. The other families across America have lost their territories to street gangs. This is a lay person's opinion, however. I welcome any and all corrections.