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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again??
[Re: NickyScarfo]
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04/15/16 11:59 PM
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socialism in a country as large as ours would fail miserbly.
communism collapsed all over the world, china is probably only communist say, 50-50- nothing works as well as a free market.
look at the difference when east Germany was under russias thumb, compared to west Germany, east Germany could not buy lunch, look at north and south korea, same situation, south korea wins hands down.
socialism does destroy freedoms by outrageous taxes, it devastates health care, but, we here are ruled by big money, with no concern for the people, that must change,
and look where nafta, and other trade agree ments got us, we must have change.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again??
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04/16/16 01:46 AM
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This is an age old argument, or seems to be, capitalism versus socialism. The truth of the matter might be that no extreme of either economic system is probably a good idea.
Pure capitalism means no regulations, rampant abuse of workers, peonage, serfdom, slavery, pollution, etc.
Pure socialism means no competition and therefore less innovation, etc etc etc.
Our system in the U.S. has always been a combination of the two. What we've been doing is trying to find the right balance.
Maybe our ability to shift that balance, as needed, is what allows the system the flexibility to adapt and perpetuate itself. Whenever business needs a boost, capitalism is unregulated and set loose. Whenever the public needs a boost, socialism is instituted to bridge them through the tougher times.
Some things have to be socialized, like the public ownership of roads and bridges. Other things must be privatized, like home ownership. So we need to strike the right balance, not swing to extremes.
"For us, rubbin'out a Mustache was just like makin' way for a new building, like we was in the construction business."
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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again??
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04/16/16 07:02 AM
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When I see these kids cheering for Sanders I think how can these kids be so stupid. They hear free school, free Medical care, and any other free stuff they want. Evidently, they have not lived long enough to know nothing in life is free. Why would you want to invent anything it goes to the state. The only people with money in the state are the people that run the state. There are plenty of kids that don't give a shit about the government and have never voted. Then you had so called smart kids who were brain washed in college not to think for themselves. All my kids are doing well, but not all of them are free thinkers. I like to see them all, but I don't need to see them. My wife thinks she has to see them. My daughter the communist who lives in Germany. Is comming here next week. She has a new boy friend he has a daughter. My daughter wants me to meet them. I have no urge to meet them. Good news the boy friend who is Germany can't come here because 4 years ago he had work in Iran. He is an electrician Iran, and Iraq used Germans to help set up their electric power. So I said to her that's to bad  So I guess we maybe safer then we thought we were.
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Re: Can Republican Party be Mainstream again??
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04/16/16 09:43 PM
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This is a age old argument, or seems to be, capitalism versus socialism. The truth of the matter might be that no extreme of either economic system is probably a good idea.
Pure capitalism means no regulations, rampant abuse of workers, peonage, serfdom, slavery, pollution, etc.
Pure socialism means no competition and therefore less innovation, etc etc etc.
Our system in the U.S. has always been a combination of the two. What we've been doing is trying to find the right balance.
Maybe our ability to shift that balance, as needed, is what allows the system the flexibility to adapt and perpetuate itself. Whenever business needs a boost, capitalism is unregulated and set loose. Whenever the public needs a boost, socialism is instituted to bridge them through the tougher times.
Some things have to be socialized, like the public ownership of roads and bridges. Other things must be privatized, like home ownership. So we need to strike the right balance, not swing to extremes. The world has had trouble admitting that socialism is terrible. Communism was a total and complete disaster as predicted by the great economist Ludwig Von Mises decades before it collapsed. Legit economists like him were ignored or ridiculed. They weren't part of the politically connected club that got awarded prestigious positions in government or academia. Once communism collapsed and its failure could no longer be denied, the world came to the conclusion that we need this mixed economic system. A balance between the two. Like some sweet spot. But after decades of that, all we will be left with is trillions of dollars of debt, trillions of unfunded liabilities, wild booms and bust cycles due to central banking run amuck and guess what gets blamed when this happens?? You got it ! Capitalism ! The free market ! Lack of regulations! Wrong. The problem is still too much Socialism. Having socialism lite just means it takes longer for the house of cards to collapse. Like cancer, some minor beginning stages of cancer are still bad and eventually could lead to something life threatening. No cancer whatsoever is better. BTW, we haven't been swinging both ways trying to strike a balance. It has been swinging in one direction for over 100 years. Towards more socialism, more regulations, less freedom. A real free market is the way to go . But realistically the people can't be convinced of it. Which is why Ron Paul lost in three presidential elections. The people voted NO for freedom. They want Trump or Sanders. More welfare more warfare till everything crumbles! Now I will sit back and watch them expect Clinton, Sanders or Trump to work miracles.
Last edited by SoCalGangs; 04/17/16 04:51 AM.
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