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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead
[Re: domwoods74]
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05/27/16 03:11 PM
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Holy fuckin shit ,
Any chance this could have been arcadi retaliating for giordano Did Giordano's assassination come from the side of the Sollecitos/Rizzutos?? Didn't know that..
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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead
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05/27/16 05:25 PM
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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead
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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead
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05/27/16 07:29 PM
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Here's the spot.. it seems like the clan's ennemies are highly organized and have good info, as this was the perfect spot. Stop sign, 3 way getaway, and an inconspicuous location for the killer to lay for Sollecito(bus stop). Their hits are very well planned, this is scary efficient.. What I dont understand is why is so easy to kill a reputed top member of the montreal mob ? In italy the most insignificant boss drive an armored car and live in a house that is like a bunker, where ever he go there are a armed guards and so on; where most of the people died in the war was alone in their cars or on the streets without protection. Good Q Furio. Especially since their people had access to armored vehicles, we know from wiretaps that laval mobster Del Balso(who probably should get out of dodge tbh) ordered an heavily armored SUV just after the Macri killing happened, so it's puzzling why he would not bother protecting himself, especially in light of the dangerous current circumstances.
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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead
[Re: TommyGambino]
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05/27/16 07:52 PM
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Del Balso and Arcadi were both reprimanded back to prison for their own safety after the Giordano murder.
I don't believe Leo Rizzuto, Rocco & Stefano Sollecito, Frank Arcadi, Giordano, and Del Balso were on the same side. But like I said earlier, there are others who were never in positions of leadership who used the tension between the two sides to completely wipe out the "old guard" aka The Rizzuto clan, and those who once pledged loyalty to them. Whether they were now enemies of Leonardo and Stefano or not. Its the same thing the Rizzuto faction did to the Cotroni's back in the day. All of those guys weren't necessarily loyal to Cotroni and Violi for instance Luigi Greco. But they held leadership positions in Cotronis mob. And the Rizzutos wiped them out, including those who were Sicilian. I suspect this whole time, the same thing was being done to the Rizzutos. I really think we'll begin to see some familiar names popping up again in future investigations to come. I wouldn't be surprised if among those names as new leaders we see "Scoppa", "Spagnolo", and maybe others we have little familiarity with.
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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead
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05/28/16 04:21 AM
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Here's the spot.. it seems like the clan's ennemies are highly organized and have good info, as this was the perfect spot. Stop sign, 3 way getaway, and an inconspicuous location for the killer to lay for Sollecito(bus stop). Their hits are very well planned, this is scary efficient.. What I dont understand is why is so easy to kill a reputed top member of the montreal mob ? In italy the most insignificant boss drive an armored car and live in a house that is like a bunker, where ever he go there are a armed guards and so on; where most of the people died in the war was alone in their cars or on the streets without protection. Good Q Furio. Especially since their people had access to armored vehicles, we know from wiretaps that laval mobster Del Balso(who probably should get out of dodge tbh) ordered an heavily armored SUV just after the Macri killing happened, so it's puzzling why he would not bother protecting himself, especially in light of the dangerous current circumstances. Maybe because in mafia and ndrangheta and less in camorra the bosses at certain point if feel the dangerous of be killed they isolated by the world in a house like a fortress or in bunkers where continue to led the clan. There are a ndrangheta man that always become blind for dont go out of the bunker. In the usa and canada if you dont stay on the street you lose the power. Or at the and they believe to be invincible so for this delbalso dont wait for the armored SUV. For the thugs that can't carry a gun for sure there are criminal that can carry legally a gun (because was never sentenced) and can be used like bodyguards.
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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead
[Re: TommyGambino]
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05/28/16 08:00 AM
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The epic gangster saga continues... A few thoughts.. I remember asking, " Have the Rizzutos been muscled out of their position as the preeminent Italian narcotics dealers in the Americas?" People were like they haven't been muscled out of anything. I'm like, okaaaaay......
I kinda saw this coming, not because I'm that well informed about the mafia in Canada, or the developments in Sicily, but I just follow the trail of drugs. And it seems the Rizzutos have been marginalized by the changing times. I've been wondering for the longest time, if the Calabrians control cocaine traffick in Europe, Austrailia, and most likely, Asia, and the Mexicans control Central America, United States, with influence in South America, WHERE DOES THAT LEAVE THE RIZZUTOS? Kinda crushed between the sides, if you ask me. They look to be in a position of role reversal with the Cotronis. I the 70s, it was Nicolo who had his marriage alliances forming his army, securing his narcotics supplies on the European end, he had his property in Venezuela With his , whatever it was powdered milk? The front to ship the drugs, like the Sicilians had every link in the chain, EXCEPT leadership of the local mob. Now it's the Calabrians who have the whole chain sewn up, and the Rizzuto clan that's marginalized, and THEY have been pushed out of the local mob leadership. The only difference really is replace heroin with cocaine. Not only that, but the Calabrians have way more territory all over. This really brings me back to that Rizzuto thread, how I was explaining that their strength was based on them controlling the narcotics routes. With the calabrians holding that down, WHO NEEDS THE RIZUTTOS EXACTLY? The bikers and street gangs could just as easily make a deal with the Calabrians, and before people say " no they wouldn't" , they would, in fact I would say they HAVE to, unless they risk one of these groups making a deal with Mexican traffickers, and letting the cartels get a toehold in Canada.
As far as the hits being easy, well, I think they only look that way cause like someone pointed out, they are so well planned. The guys in Italy are more in tuned with what they are, gangsters. The Americanized mobsters tend to fall into that "Costello, Castellano, Corleone mentality" where they see themselves as more business men than gangster, even though everything they do is based of their gangsterism. Here's one of my favorite Machiavelli quotes
“prince must have no other objective, no other thought, nor take up any profession but that of war, its methods and its discipline, for that is the only art expected of a ruler. And it is of such great value that it not only keeps hereditary princes in power, but often raises men of lowly condition to that rank. It may be noted, on the other hand, that when princes have given more thought to fine living than to arms, they have lost their states. The first cause of losing them is the neglect of this art, just as the first means of gaining them is proficiency in it.” See you can ride around in an armored convoy, it didn't save Falcone. Provezano lived in a fuckin hut and communicated with scraps of paper, but they still found him. Guys like Anastasiamwere killed,at the height of their power, there was a guy in Canada killed in JAIL. if they want you bad enough, they will get you. To hide suggest weakness, and the appearance of weakness begets weakness... Fascinating stuff, any more thoughts fellas? Also @ Sinatra, good read on this situation my man, you we the one to,call the leadership change there....
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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead
[Re: TheRedZone]
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05/28/16 08:11 AM
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Here's the spot.. it seems like the clan's ennemies are highly organized and have good info, as this was the perfect spot. Stop sign, 3 way getaway, and an inconspicuous location for the killer to lay for Sollecito(bus stop). Their hits are very well planned, this is scary efficient.. What I dont understand is why is so easy to kill a reputed top member of the montreal mob ? In italy the most insignificant boss drive an armored car and live in a house that is like a bunker, where ever he go there are a armed guards and so on; where most of the people died in the war was alone in their cars or on the streets without protection. Good Q Furio. Especially since their people had access to armored vehicles, we know from wiretaps that laval mobster Del Balso(who probably should get out of dodge tbh) ordered an heavily armored SUV just after the Macri killing happened, so it's puzzling why he would not bother protecting himself, especially in light of the dangerous current circumstances. its crazy how efficiently they get the shit done. I remember reading about paolo renda's abduction and they snatched him off the street from a very specific stretch of the road where there happened to be no cctv, and this was apparently a strip with plenty of cameras. these guys are very considerate, very deliberate.
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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead
[Re: TommyGambino]
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05/28/16 08:26 AM
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Appreciate it, Cabrini. And don't feel too bad when guys say you're off your rocker in regards to these things. I know on another forum I theorized Rocco Sollecitos position in all this and was told by a pretty respected Canadian poster, that he didn't deal in "theories, only fact" and that according to him, Rocco was staying as far away as possible from this whole situation and was no longer involved. And we see how that turned out.
And its interesting that you mention the drugs and who controls what nowadays. Just for the sake of discussion, the Scoppa's are rumored to now be based in Mexico, hiding out. Now its way too early to really know who's behind all this, but its interesting to note that there are former underlings of the Montreal Mafia, who bided their time hiding out in foreign countries. And the amount of time some of these guys have been there, its very plausible they built and established their own connections for cocaine and simply have managed to outmaneuver the old guard from afar. Interesting scenario that is Montreal, regardless.
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Re: Rocco Sollecito shot dead
[Re: Sonny_Black]
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05/28/16 12:23 PM
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Appreciate it, Cabrini. And don't feel too bad when guys say you're off your rocker in regards to these things. I know on another forum I theorized Rocco Sollecitos position in all this and was told by a pretty respected Canadian poster, that he didn't deal in "theories, only fact" and that according to him, Rocco was staying as far away as possible from this whole situation and was no longer involved. And we see how that turned out. I think that Sollecito's kiling was similar to Di Maulo's, in which the motive was to deal a symbolic blow no matter the degree of their involvement. They were killed primarily because of the status they held within the Montreal Mafia. Sollecito was representing the new leadership just as Di Maulo was representing one of the rebel factions. I also think that Sollecito may have been killed in response to actions undertaken by his son. That could be true. But I think Sollecito was killed because he represented the "old guard", like Giordano. So we have a differing of opinions here. Which is cool. I think its someone whom can be deemed as "neutral" from within the Montreal Mafia who are behind these murders. I think they have pledged to work more in hand with the Calabrians from Toronto & Ontario. I think they will rise to be the new leaders of the Montreal Mafia, the "Scoppas" of the world. But their only the fronts, the real power behind the Montreal Mafia lies with the 'Ndranghesti in Toronto & Ontario.
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