I don't know anything about what's going on up there being I'm from jersey but these guys are the real deal. They make American CN look like the minor leagues. They talk less and shoot more. Crazy. This shit would never go down out here in this day and age. I don't condone it but you gotta give these guys their respect. They live the life to the fullest extent. No half stepping.

The US would be the same way if it had the lax criminal laws that Canada has.

I don't know anything about what's going on up there being I'm from jersey but these guys are the real deal. They make American CN look like the minor leagues. They talk less and shoot more. Crazy. This shit would never go down out here in this day and age. I don't condone it but you gotta give these guys their respect. They live the life to the fullest extent. No half stepping.

The last paragraph from your last message clarifies it all. I understand how you arrived at that conclusion. I respect that arguement.

This is a huge hit for sure, what's happening up in Canada begs for a movie or a TV show, it's pretty crazy. Anyways, assuming that the hit came from a group other than the Arcadi crew, then it's safe to assume that the Montreal Mob is no longer a single family, but rather split families/crews gunning for the port, and I don't see them co-existing peacefully anytime soon like the 5 families of NY for example.

This is also a testimony that Vito Rizzuto must be one of the best bosses of all time to be able to hold all these crews together operating as a single independent family. He was probably the only figure that kept the Montreal Mob powerful and competitive with the the Siderno group, with his passing the 'Ndrangheta hold the power in Canada easily.



These guys might be old school and all, but with such death rate this can't be good for business.

Appreciate that. I also wouldn't be too surprised if I was proven to be completely wrong on this one, lol.


As far as the comparison between Canada & America. I think its a combination of the laws being more lax in Canada, and the lack of a law like RICO, which I believe that if Canada had something similar, it would prove to be just as destabilizing to Canadian organized crime groups, as it is to ours in the states. I also think the link to the old worlds and the constant ties to Sicily and Calabria attributes to the way of life for a lot of these guys. But you can't say as a whole that that's what its all about. Because you have the Biker groups and the Street Gangs, where most of their members are Canadian born, and most Canadians are somewhat Americanized, or they're French Canadian, and both those groups that consist of a large portion of membership for both the mentioned crime organizations, have proven to be just as violent. So, I don't know, I'd lean more towards the lack of a RICO, that contributes heavily to the violence we see among the Canadian Organized Crime groups.

could this guy be the last american made member killed up there? seems he was under vito and nick probaly was inducted into the bonanno family when rusty or massino was boss. he made his bones in the violi killing makes sense they all have been killed.

Of course they do, but this was beginning to happen even while Vito was alive. And it remains to be seen if they truly control Montreal to the point where they're using the Montreal Mafia, and Montreals other crime orgs like literal puppets for their sole benefit.

I don't think this was happening before Vito went to jail, there was no question who controlled Montreal back then, it was the Rizzutos, things began to crumble when Vito went jail, there was no charismatic leader left to keep it all together, so it fell apart.

The 'Ndranghea does not have to come control any puppets in Montreal to be the power, the lack of stability over there is in itself an advantage for them, though I have no doubt they will probably try to bud in and install a puppet boss that will benefit them.

Of course they do, but this was beginning to happen even while Vito was alive.

There stil a few others left, such as Arcadi and Emanuele Ragusa

This is also a testimony that Vito Rizzuto must be one of the best bosses of all time to be able to hold all these crews together operating as a single independent family. He was probably the only figure that kept the Montreal Mob powerful and competitive with the the Siderno group, with his passing the 'Ndrangheta hold the power in Canada easily.

I don't think this was happening before Vito went to jail, there was no question who controlled Montreal back then, it was the Rizzutos, things began to crumble when Vito went jail, there was no charismatic leader left to keep it all together, so it fell apart.

I'll have to disagree somewhat. Yea Vito was still alive, but he was locked up in the U.S. We seen what happened once he came back home.



Didn't Ragusa get out of the game after getting out? I know there has been NOTHING about him in the papers or anything since he did. Supposedly him and Vito were best friends.



Very true. He was well known for keeping everyone happy (majority anyways). He had the Hell's Angels, the street gangs, and everybody else in between was working together under Vito.



Very true. They wouldn't dare pull this stunt if Vito was out. He just had too much power up there.

And as I mentioned earlier, here's a link in regards to the murder of this Antonio D'Onofrio. No idea of this is related to the current tensions , or if it was connected, it may have been a case of mistaken identity, according to the article, or at least the translation anyway.



http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...ns-ahuntsic.php
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Daniel Renaud has updated the article to which you linked above. The victim's name is Angelo D'Onofrio, and he appeared to be hit at a café regularly frequented by mobsters but, according to sources, somehow tied to the "Calabrian faction" [quotation marks mine on purpose] of the Montreal Mafia.

I acknowledged he was in prison. However they still started to become the bigger power while Vito was alive. That's a fact. He just couldt do anything about it anyway. And the likes of Di Maul o, the Haitian dude, and a couple others were killed supposedly at the hands of Vito.

But the killings of most of the Calabrians, for example Salvatore Calautti. You cannot credit to Vito Rizzuto. As information has since been released that those deaths came as a result of an internal war between 'Ndrangheta clans in both Calabria and Canada.


And again IM NOT SAYING THAT THE NDRANGHETA CONTROLLED MONTREAL WHILE VITO WAS ALIVE AND IN PRISON (nor did I EVER say that in my posts). HOWEVER WHILE HE WAS ALIVE AND IN PRISON, THE NDRANGHETA BECAME THE DOMINANT ORGANIZED CRIME GROUP IN CANADA. CANADA IS MUCH BIGGER THAN JUST MONTREAL.

Canada is a big place indeed, but Italian Mafia presence is mainly confined to two areas, Montreal and the Toronto/Hamilton area.

Anyways, I agree that with or without Vito the Siderno were growing strong, but with Vito on top and in prime, they had very little to no influence on Montreal, with him gone however, it's a different story.

You also mentioned that they forced Vito into accepting some of their decisions (The Panepinto hit for example), keep in mind that these were related to matters in the Toronto area where it's their turf, so naturally Vito acknowledged them.

That's true, but keep in mind I never said they had influence in Montreal when Vito was at his prime. I don't know how that got interpreted as such in the first place. I said they were growing in a stature that was comparable to the Montreal Mafia, at that time. And you're right, Mafia presence is based in Montreal & The Toronto/Hamilton area. But while the Calabrians as in the Ndrangheta groups couldn't gain a foothold in Montreal before Vito was convicted and extradited, the Montreal family never gained a foothold in The Toronto, Ontario/Hamilton area, while Vito was at his prime. They tried to, but they never really succeeded with that. The Panepinto is an example of that. Vito was definitely friendly with the Musitanos , but I don't believe even they allowed Vito to establish a base in their town.

I respect Vito Rizzuto and all he did, and I've always been the first to admit and always one of the most vocal about Vito's prowess and how powerful he was in order to accomplish all he did, break away from the Bonannos and essentially create his own psuedo neo-Sicilian Mob Family, which also consisted of the remainder of the "Calabrian Faction". But his influence was mostly based in his town, Montreal. He definitely earned with everyone and managed to do enough to work with the Calabrian clans without stepping on toes. But again most of his influence was based in Montreal.

Published June 3, 2016 at 6:11 p.m. | Updated at 6:11 p.m.
Montreal Mafia: the new guard wants to make a clean sweep


The attack occurred yesterday around 16h in the Sinatra bar formerly Hillside on Fleury Street in Ahuntsic, is the latest chapter in a bloody change of guard.






The murder yesterday afternoon in Montreal, which would otherwise constitute a mistaken identity, and the murders of honorable men Rocco Sollecito and Lorenzo Giordano in recent weeks in Laval, could have the same common denominator: a decision power combined with the elimination of the old guard of the Montreal mafia, according to what the sources told La Presse .

The attack occurred yesterday around 16h in the Sinatra bar formerly Hillside on Fleury Street in Ahuntsic, is the last chapter of this change of bloody guard. "It's like trying to make a clean sweep and start again on new bases," says one observer.

Angelo D'Onofrio, 72, a regular at the cafe little or no known to police, is the latest victim of this takeover. A presumably innocent victim because police sources told La Presse that "mistaken identity is one of the most plausible theories."

white hair

In fact, according to our information, Mr. D'Onofrio would have been confused with Carmine Antonio Vanelli, 71, a man of honor and longtime associate mafioso formerly Violi then rallied to Rizzuto when they took power in early 80s Vanelli, like other individuals associated with the Calabrian mafia cell of Montreal, attended the Sinatra coffee. According to our sources, around 16h yesterday, the killer would have made certain findings which would have allowed him to believe he was there. In addition, the victim, Mr. D'Onofrio, sported a very white hair, such as Vanelli, which could have confused the shooter. But the mafioso was not present at Sinatra at that moment. Ironically, it was at Loreto Funeral Complex to offer condolences to the family of Rocco Sollecito murdered there one week.

Although Vanelli belongs to the Calabrian cell, it is considered a faithful of Rizzuto. Investigators also will not exclude the possibility that the attack that targeted may have a connection with the murder of the influential Calabrian Moreno Gallo assassinated in Mexico in 2013 for lack of loyalty.

It will see that they will be the consequences of this blunder. Especially as the Sinatra coffee belongs to a near Vanelli, former member of the Rock Machine and Hells Angels, Salvatore Brunetti. Even if it would put colors on good terms and would now be more linked to the Mafia as bikers according to police, the man still would have very close links with the Hells Angels.

Something in common

Lorenzo Giordano, whom police considered a godfather aspirant but who was killed in Laval on March 1, Rocco Sollecito, who became the highest-ranking Mafia after the natural death of Vito Rizzuto in December 2013 and who was murdered last Friday, and Antonio Vanelli all have one thing in common: they belong to the old guard of the Montreal mafia.



More than 200 people attended the funeral of Rocco Sollecito noon in the Church of Our Lady of Pompei in Montreal. Some people came to pay their last respects, we noticed the presence of members of the Rizzuto clan, whose sister of Vito Rizzuto, Maria Renda, his daughter Libertina and his wife, Giovanna Cammalleri. There were also loyal clan, Vincenzo Spagnolo and his son Nicola, the police believed, until recently at least, as a member of the Montreal Mafia direction table set up after the death of the sponsor.

Police investigators were parked not far from the church to take pictures and refresh their albums intelligence.

Its been confirmed that D'Onofrio was killed by mistake. The intended victim is supposedly Carmine Antonio Vannelli. The shooter believed D'Onofrio to be Vanelli because they both shared white hair. Ironically enough, Vanelli was at the Loreto Funeral complex, paying his respects to the family of Rocco Sollecito.

And here's the article, and it supports my theory #2, of this not being a civil war and that it was the new leadership alliance taking out the "old guard", which was everyone that was close to and held a position of power, and remained loyal to Vito Rizzuto, from the time he took over to the time of his imprisonment and death , and all those who acted on his behalf .



http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...-table-rase.php







Don't ask me how I call these guys, lol.

[quote=SinatraClub]Its been confirmed that D'Onofrio was killed by mistake. The intended victim is supposedly Carmine Antonio Vannelli. The shooter believed D'Onofrio to be Vanelli because they both shared white hair. Ironically enough, Vanelli was at the Loreto Funeral complex, paying his respects to the family of Rocco Sollecito.

And here's the article, and it supports my theory #2, of this not being a civil war and that it was the new leadership alliance taking out the "old guard", which was everyone that was close to and held a position of power, and remained loyal to Vito Rizzuto, from the time he took over to the time of his imprisonment and death , and all those who acted on his behalf .



http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...-table-rase.php







Don't ask me how I call these guys, lol.