But robbery never made sense-- again, if it was an intended heist, who was in the inside man at L&B? There's not even been the slightest suggestion of how this could have gone down... I'm not looking for names by any means, just common sense.

I wonder if the cops really thought it was a robbery gone bad or if there was some other reason(s) to suggest that?

That that video has kicked up zilch so far is also interesting; also nothing about the car (presumably stolen but still) or where it went afterwards...

Are the cops chasing their tails, were the hitter(s) smarter than it seems or ???

Also, given the neighborhood and past associations, suspicions naturally lie with the Columbos but maybe it's something / someone else altogether?

Anyone's speculation is as good as mine but what seemed "obvious" a couple weeks ago is anything but now.

But it's just a robbery people! Remember that? Sadly it sounds like this guy's family is going to suffer because it seems the cops have no clue what is going on.

I'm sure they know way more than the clueless act that's being reported. How many times have we've seen them hold back info to protect a wire, an informant or an investigation in general?

Well duh, of course they know more. But nothing so far based on the info released has made this look like a robbery as they reported right away.

like ive mentioned before, I work with a few guys from that neighborhood. I'll try and get some info from them if I can today before I get the hell out of this city and head straight to the shore...

No new news, neighborhood is still saying it was a hit supposedly

No one post it but daily said the cops have a suspect and just puting it together with who told him he had the big bag of cash that day. 15k isnt nothing to sneeze at maybe why guy was so gun ho. Is that the old saying. People die over eighth of weed still.

I'm not convinced it was a robbery but maybe that 10-15k wasn't all he had

Crazy broad day shit tho

Man the robbery thing still doesn't add up to me.. But that's just me. If I was going to run up on a guy with a bag of 15k even if I ended up shooting him dead for whatever reason you better believe I would be leaving with that money. At least get something out of it.. So if it was a robbery they guy went there trying to get money, left a murderer and just as broke as he was before he ran up on the guy...so if the motive wasn't a hit it was beyond amateur hour.. Guy obviously isn't a very skilled stick up man...
Not to mention if you're trying to hit a stain or a score there is so many easier and way less risky ways of getting money than sticking someone up. It's just way too liable to end up horribly wrong- example- murder.. It's 2016... At least do some fucking credit card, check fraud... Card cracking. Just so many better ways to get money that are so fucking easy and when you get caught you're looking at some white guy charges.. Mail and wire fraud.. Plus these days there is so much insane fraud going on that unless you're stealing millions you're not even going to be a bleep on the radar... Trust me on that I can vouch first hand about all of that..

As i said from day one, im sticking to my robbery thesis.
You guys have to stop thinking the shooter had a high criminal IQ . What doesnt make sense to you makes total sense to a fuckin idiot.

So he had time to squeeze the trigger 5-10x but not just as quickly grab what he supposedly came for if its robbery then what a fuck up

Mob hit

Cops going with robbery attempt it looks like

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-...ticle-1.2718460

I bet they're listening to their wire taps like crazy right now. Robbery or not the streets have to be talking.

There was an arrest today:

http://nypost.com/2016/11/03/man-suspected-of-killing-famed-pizzeria-owner-arrested/

this also, some different info--

http://brooklynreporter.com/story/exclus...-owners-murder/

I'm unclear, if Post is correct, why this would be in Brooklyn federal court; curious what the fed charge(s) will be if so.

Chance this guy, if the shooter, was acting alone: 0.0%, obviouly.

Interesting. FBI definitely wants to link this to some sort of Mafia activity.

Guys surposed to be in court today. If its a robbery turned homicide its a state 1st degree murder case why are the feds invovled at all? If this guys a mob associate and it was like that guy on staten island were the robbers said they got the order from a genovese capo antico which he was found not guilty and even from what i read that guy didnt order the robbery or his murder. He got like 10yrs for his brothers gambling ring which he got a cutt from he all but admitted in court.

I said from day 1 , as soon as this was released that it was a robbery and not a hit. Sure, a mob guy may be behind it but it was no hit, it was a robbery. I said that in my very first post regarding this topic.
If it was a mob type robbery, there are usually more than one guy.

ok so john marzulli wrote a good article today he was in the eastern district court hes fucked its feds. if its only a robbery why where laytex gloves amd shoot the guy 5 times. says hes a crack head from sheepshead bay. no one at the pizza place has ever seen him.

shot him in the leg and take the shit right? not 5 times think its a hit plus the gloves. the guy was driving a newer acura nic3e cars. i dont know about the crackhead shit.

Yea I still don't buy a robbery because from the sounds of it he never even went after the bag, he just came in shooting. You generally don't shoot more than once on someone you plan to rob. I agree pmac

Ya theres a reason the feds took it. Someone maybe hired him. 10k maybe a bitter business rival. Someene wanted him off the earth.

bump... how much weirder can this case get? Are the Feds still sweating this guy, or maybe he already flipped, or maybe for all the circumstantial evidence that led to arrest they don't yet have a strong case?

we're going on three weeks and this Andres Fernandez seems to have vanished.

any thoughts?

He went to get the papers, get the papers.

Is that a jeru the damaja refernce.