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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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08/07/16 02:16 AM
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No, you're talking about the percentage of Muslims that you believe support "extremism", and of course you're making shit up. I just looked at those numbers and a disturbing amount of the Muslims polled do support extremism. It varies country to country of course. This is what Sam Harris is always referring to.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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08/07/16 02:27 AM
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Nigerian Muslims -20% have a favorable view towards ISIS. In a few countries, a quarter or more of Muslims say that these acts of violence are at least sometimes justified, including 40% in the Palestinian territories, 39% in Afghanistan, 29% in Egypt and 26% in Bangladesh.
More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say that such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified in these circumstances.
Wow only 86% say suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians are never justified. Shouldn't it be atleast 99%.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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08/07/16 04:56 PM
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It makes sense that a small minority in certain Sunni Muslim countries would support extremism, to be honest. I am not justifying it, but when your country is frequently bombed and droned, those feelings can develop.
I am sure Muslim support in America would be much, much lower. Not to mention Muslims in countries that aren't exploited and bombed.
I am not going to say a majority of Americans are bad people because a minority supports torture (which is a form of extremism, in my opinion) or because a majority suported a war of aggression in Iraq (where at least 300,000 civilians were killed, which is a low estimate). The only way to understand why Americans justify those actions is when you view things through a nationlistic prism (America brings freedom and democracy through bombs). When it becomes a good versus evil kind of thing, a lot of bad actions can be supported.
Also, what Olivant said. That was a good point.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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08/07/16 05:15 PM
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It makes sense that a small minority in certain Sunni Muslim countries would support extremism, to be honest. I am not justifying it, but when your country is frequently bombed and droned, those feelings can develop.
I am sure Muslim support in America would be much, much lower. Not to mention Muslims in countries that aren't exploited and bombed.
I am not going to say a majority of Americans are bad people because a minority supports torture (which is a form of extremism, in my opinion) or because a majority suported a war of aggression in Iraq (where at least 300,000 civilians were killed, which is a low estimate). The only way to understand why Americans justify those actions is when you view things through a nationlistic prism (America brings freedom and democracy through bombs). When it becomes a good versus evil kind of thing, a lot of bad actions can be supported.
Also, what Olivant said. That was a good point. +1 Alot of this is has got worse because of US actions abroad should have never gone near the middle east but there is money there so there is always an interest when millions were getting slaughtered in Rwanda where was the US? no where because there is no money During the Balkan war of the 90s where was the US i know they eventually helped but they took there time thousands being killed UN stood and watched thousands of people get slaughter by the Serbian army of course thats not just US fault alot of those UN guys in Bosnia were actually dutch. The invasion of Iraq was the worst but its not an isolated case backing rebels to kill Gaddafi in Libya now look at its a basket case 8 governments and now ISIS exists there thousands of refugees crossing over into Italy Europe gets stuck with US mistakes. Even the Syrian crisis your backing people you dont know with guns and training i know beating ISIS needs to be a priority but the people you guys are backing at the moment could be just as bad look at Afghanistan in the 80s US helped create Al Qeada and make the Taliban into a power because they were fighting the Russians. Stay out of Syria let Russia and Assad retake the country and beat ISIS maybe back the kurds but no one else you dont know who these people are. US never learns from its mistakes and everyone else gets stuck with the US faults.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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08/07/16 11:00 PM
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yes, if trump had a little substance about his plan to help the country, it might help, but, as yet I have heard nothing about how he is going to bring back jobs. the jobs that disappeared cant come back, you cant create steel mills out of nothing, its the rust belt now, [steeltowns] the advent of the computer took millions of jobs away, how can they come back? even construction can never realize the number of employed it once had. wall street ruined that market, how is he going to bring jobs back?
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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08/07/16 11:30 PM
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yes, if trump had a little substance about his plan to help the country, it might help, but, as yet I have heard nothing about how he is going to bring back jobs. the jobs that disappeared cant come back, you cant create steel mills out of nothing, its the rust belt now, [steeltowns] the advent of the computer took millions of jobs away, how can they come back? even construction can never realize the number of employed it once had. wall street ruined that market, how is he going to bring jobs back? You know, I was listening to Michael Medved the other day and he reminded us that Reagan campaigned on a promise to bring the primacy of steel manufacturing back to the US. Of course, that didn't happen.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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yes, if trump had a little substance about his plan to help the country, it might help, but, as yet I have heard nothing about how he is going to bring back jobs. the jobs that disappeared cant come back, you cant create steel mills out of nothing, its the rust belt now, [steeltowns] the advent of the computer took millions of jobs away, how can they come back? even construction can never realize the number of employed it once had. wall street ruined that market, how is he going to bring jobs back? Trump has no idea how to create jobs, so he just makes stuff up, like blaming China for everything. But Hillary isn't any better. They'll both make the economy worse.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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yes, if trump had a little substance about his plan to help the country, it might help, but, as yet I have heard nothing about how he is going to bring back jobs. the jobs that disappeared cant come back, you cant create steel mills out of nothing, its the rust belt now, [steeltowns] the advent of the computer took millions of jobs away, how can they come back? even construction can never realize the number of employed it once had. wall street ruined that market, how is he going to bring jobs back? Trump has no idea how to create jobs, so he just makes stuff up, like blaming China for everything. But Hillary isn't any better. They'll both make the economy worse. My thoughts exactly. There's no way to get excited about either candidate. Not when it comes to the economy.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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08/08/16 10:19 AM
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Bloomberg got a preview of the big economic policy speech the Donald's giving today:
He will repeal the estate tax.
He will cut the corporate tax rate by more than half, to 15%.
He’s expected to call for three income-tax brackets, down from the current seven.
He will revive the Keystone pipeline and kill the Paris climate agreement.
He will repeal Dodd-Frank, the post-crisis set of (fairly tepid) regulations, and “he will not propose any new financial regulations until the economy shows ‘significant growth.'"
He is expected to say that civil servants whose focus is job-killing regulation should be replaced with experts who would help create jobs.
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I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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08/08/16 11:07 AM
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Trump is expected to say that civil servants whose focus is job-killing regulation should be replaced with experts who would help create jobs. I don’t know why I torture myself by even reading the crap that comes outta Trump's mouth, but does he even know what Civil Service is? What they do? An he does realize you can’t just fire civil servants, right? Right? And the estate tax is nonsense. Gets the proles all riled up thinking 'the gubmit' is gonna get their money', when they won't earn 5 million over their lifetime, never mind leave an estate worth more than that behind.
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All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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08/08/16 11:55 AM
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When you own property work 5 million you can leave it to your kids? It means if your net worth is smaller than 11 million (as a couple), you have nothing to worry about. The exemption for an individual is 5.45 million. But there is also annual gifting ($14,000 for an individual, double for a couple) which doesn't count against against the $11 million lifetime exemption. And, most people worth considerable amounts are going to be using Trusts and other entities to grow their money. The current federal AFR is so low right now you can loan an asset to a trust, let it grow inside the trust (estate tax free), and use the profit to pay off the loan interest at no cost to yourself. There are also states with smaller exemptions but Trump can't do anything about that.
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