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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
[Re: Alfa Romeo]
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Whether you think it's wrong or not does not change the fact that it is racist, bigoted, and wrong. Do you have locks on the front door of your home? If not, why not? alfa, living in N.Y.C. is much different than anywhere else in America, N.Y.C. is indeed a target, elsewhere people don't worry about terroist attacks, am I going to worry about attacks in Idaho? of course not. therefore you nust understand that the rest of the country, N.Y.C. means nothing to them, up here in the northwest, and many parts of the south, and western states, N,Y,C, may as well be mars. gulliani found that out when he ran for president, in the west, the far west, the far north, no one turned out to see him. his campaign was meaningless, now hes looked upon as a trump stooge. trump supporters are much different than the rest of the country, many are KKK. and far-right extremists, Hillary was right in characterizing them.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/14/16 08:08 PM
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Wrong again. Romney's 47% statement could not have been about the whole country simply because if he was talking about the entire country he would have said "100%," which he didn't say since that would have been ridiculous. My bad for not wording it correctly. Clinton was sample sizing Trump voters, and Trump voters only, to make her point. Romney was sample sizing the entire country to which the 47% he's referring to is included in. Moreover, the statement was correct. Romney said 47% of Americans pay no tax. Politifact and CBS News both fact-checked it and found it accurate. That's not what he said. Just to brush you up, here's his exact quote. There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what...who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims. ...These are people who pay no income tax. ...and so my job is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them that they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.He called nearly half the country "dependent on government", and implied they don't have "personal responsibility". A statement like that is only going to play to the far right, and would be disastrous in a national election, as it turned out to be. I'm familiar with the quote, just as the writers at Politifact and CBS News are. Was Romney factually incorrect on nearly half the country being dependent on government? And no, Romney did not "play to the far right." Romney has no connection to the Far Right except in your mind. It also wasn't any sort of "play" at all since it came from a private meeting and not from a public forum. Was it something he shouldn't have said since Left-wingers and the Far Left would take it out of context? Yes. Would he have beat Obama if he didn't say it? Unlikely. The media was giving excess coverage to non-stories and non-events to defeat his campaign, this being one example. If President Obama threw out a statistic about his political opponents back then it would have gotten comparatively little coverage. Oh wait, he did just that in 2008 when he referred to people in small communities in Pennsylvania and the Midwest who cling to guns and are bitter, etc., and when it was reported on it was either downplayed or dismissed. This double-standard in news coverage helps explain why no matter what Romney could have said it would have made no difference in the 2012 election.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/14/16 08:36 PM
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And no, Romney did not "play to the far right." I said that his 47% quote only plays to the far right. Meaning, only the far right would think it was a good thing to say. Romney doesn't just share stats on public assistance, he used terms like "personal responsibility" and "dependent". He basically said half of this country is made up of bums. It was so typical for a sheltered, rich kid like him. He had no chance of beating Obama anyway, but that quote made him outright loathsome. It was...deplorable. Thank you, Mrs. Clinton. It also wasn't any sort of "play" at all since it came from a private meeting and not from a public forum. Again, wan't talking about his intentions, I was talking about who the comment plays to, who would think it was a good comment. Also, anyone who hasn't figured out yet that there is practically no privacy in today's world once you step outside of your bathroom is not smart enough to be president anyway. Was it something he shouldn't have said since Left-wingers and the Far Left would take it out of context? Yes. The only people that took it out of context were his supporters, in order to sugar coat it and play damage control. It was one of the worst things ever said by a presidential candidate. Sadly, however, another GOP candidate has already topped him. The media was giving excess coverage to non-stories and non-events to defeat his campaign According to whom? If President Obama threw out a statistic about his political opponents back then it would have gotten comparatively little coverage. How could you possibly determine this? Do you work in the media? Oh wait, he did just that in 2008 when he referred to people in small communities in Pennsylvania and the Midwest who cling to guns and are bitter, etc., No, he didn't. Similar to Clinton, Obama was referring to rural right wingers specifically. Romney said that 47% of the entire country was irresponsible and dependent on government. Obama had only sample sized a small portion of the public, Romney sample sized the entire public. The entire country, at least.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/14/16 09:16 PM
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Whether you think it's wrong or not does not change the fact that it is racist, bigoted, and wrong. Do you have locks on the front door of your home? If not, why not? alfa, living in N.Y.C. is much different than anywhere else in America, N.Y.C. is indeed a target, elsewhere people don't worry about terroist attacks, am I going to worry about attacks in Idaho? of course not. therefore you nust understand that the rest of the country, N.Y.C. means nothing to them, up here in the northwest, and many parts of the south, and western states, N,Y,C, may as well be mars. gulliani found that out when he ran for president, in the west, the far west, the far north, no one turned out to see him. his campaign was meaningless, now hes looked upon as a trump stooge. trump supporters are much different than the rest of the country, many are KKK. and far-right extremists, Hillary was right in characterizing them. Reading through this thread, I'm starting to see that.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/14/16 11:42 PM
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Btw- I didn't mean that I think you see us that way Binnie.  I know you were just pointing out that not everyone has the same viewpoints as NY residents.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/15/16 01:09 AM
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Btw- I didn't mean that I think you see us that way Binnie.  I know you were just pointing out that not everyone has the same viewpoints as NY residents. no,helen I see N,Y,C,residents as intelligent, thoughtful human beings, however to the country as a whole, they have a distasteful view of new Yorkers, and it will never go away.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/15/16 01:14 AM
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Don't get me in trouble, Binnie. I'm not siccing anybody. No personal insults. Perhaps a small dash of sarcasm, like some Tony Chachere's on the chili, but I receive a lot of that, too. yes, didn't mean to sic them per se, only return fire, I do,and we should. and I refrain from personal insults myself. sometimes not much tolerance on these boards. keep posting, you have like many enriched the discourse.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/15/16 03:10 AM
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And no, Romney did not "play to the far right." I said that his 47% quote only plays to the far right. Meaning, only the far right would think it was a good thing to say. Romney doesn't just share stats on public assistance, he used terms like "personal responsibility" and "dependent". He basically said half of this country is made up of bums. It was so typical for a sheltered, rich kid like him. He had no chance of beating Obama anyway, but that quote made him outright loathsome. It was...deplorable. Thank you, Mrs. Clinton. It also wasn't any sort of "play" at all since it came from a private meeting and not from a public forum. Again, wan't talking about his intentions, I was talking about who the comment plays to, who would think it was a good comment. Also, anyone who hasn't figured out yet that there is practically no privacy in today's world once you step outside of your bathroom is not smart enough to be president anyway. Was it something he shouldn't have said since Left-wingers and the Far Left would take it out of context? Yes. The only people that took it out of context were his supporters, in order to sugar coat it and play damage control. It was one of the worst things ever said by a presidential candidate. Sadly, however, another GOP candidate has already topped him. The media was giving excess coverage to non-stories and non-events to defeat his campaign According to whom? If President Obama threw out a statistic about his political opponents back then it would have gotten comparatively little coverage. How could you possibly determine this? Do you work in the media? Oh wait, he did just that in 2008 when he referred to people in small communities in Pennsylvania and the Midwest who cling to guns and are bitter, etc., No, he didn't. Similar to Clinton, Obama was referring to rural right wingers specifically. Romney said that 47% of the entire country was irresponsible and dependent on government. Obama had only sample sized a small portion of the public, Romney sample sized the entire public. The entire country, at least. The Far Right, meaning white nationalists, Neo-Nazis and the KKK, said nothing about Romney's 47% statement. That's just something you made up. And what does Mrs. Clinton have to do with it? I don't think anyone thought it was a good comment, but neither is it as bad as the Far Far Left thinks it is. To say it's one of the worst things ever said by a presidential candidate is ridiculous and insanely wrong. Do you think that's worse than President Johnson saying, "We'll have these n----rs voting for us for two hundred years"? I can think of a lot of other statements that are far worse. How could you possibly determine this? Do you work in the media? You do realize that there are organizations that monitor the media, don't you? No, he didn't. Similar to Clinton, Obama was referring to rural right wingers specifically. Romney said that 47% of the entire country was irresponsible and dependent on government. Obama had only sample sized a small portion of the public, Romney sample sized the entire public. The entire country, at least. This scale of excuse-making takes being sycophantic to a whole new level, but it is amusing.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/15/16 02:16 PM
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To say it's one of the worst things ever said by a presidential candidate is ridiculous and insanely wrong. Calling half the country bums, which is what Romney did, is one of the worst things ever said in a presidential campaign. You do realize that there are organizations that monitor the media, don't you? Fair enough. How have they determined that a candidate *would* get more or less coverage under any particular circumstance? I've seen some of these right wing "media monitoring" sites. They're run by people that can barely tie their shoes, much less detail how the media would hypothetically cover something that never happened.
This scale of excuse-making takes being sycophantic to a whole new level, but it is amusing.
Romney said that half the country were leeches. That could include anyone. Of any background, gender, race, political leaning, income, what have you. That's why his comment was so polarizing and unpopular. People didn't know if he was talking about them. Clinton referred specifically to Trump supporters. That means, anyone who's not a Trump supporter knows she's not talking about them. Therefore, her comments aren't nearly as polarizing. It only pissed off the Trump supporters. Everyone else agrees with her.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/16/16 12:44 AM
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I agree, hillary is in big trouble, trumps got a free ride with the press, they shy away from asking him about his tax returns, and his foundation, and his university, all under investigation. the press is fixated on hillarys e- mails.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/17/16 03:23 PM
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Binnie did you see trumps press conference on how the military should run. The place was full of advisers Generals and the alike. They all praised trump for listening to that Hillary's people started the question whether obama was an their advice. They also mentioned helping wounded warriors.
Place had a lot of the press. They planned to ask trump on whaeather obama was an American or not.
After they spoke they introduced trump. He started by saying american or not. Then he said I ended it when obama finally produced his birth certificate. So I say to you all that Obama is an American.
Then he left the stage. He took no set up questions from the press. It was a brilliant plan by trump.
On all the other stations they attacked trump on that issue. That is all they can do. hes a real head case foots, if he would have been made in profacis family in Brooklyn in the 50s, he would have been clipped. What makes you think he had the balls to be in the life
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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09/18/16 02:06 AM
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and who are the ones that will suffer for their ignorance? yes..... you and I and millions like us, never them. The people, like us, who understand that both are clusterf---s are in the best position. You can prepare for each presidency. One of them wants to keep American dominance abroad, but is giving the barn away to foreigners at home. During the economic recovery, nearly 100% of all new jobs created went to immigrants. Not cool. The other wants to keep "America for Americans", but will plunge the country into another recession and shrink America's presence on the world stage, withdrawing from treaties, weakening NATO, creating vacuums and opportunities for Russia to expand its influence. The stated policies of each candidate are not well thought out. As a matter of fact, I doubt either ever actually sat down and really thought about the world in a strategic way at all.
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