That's true, I didn't know that was the topic but I agree. Especially for San Bernardino county. That's the case for nearly all my extended family too.

I know. You thought the topic was gang migration, when it's actually internet banging. But it's okay. Several participated in the side discussion.

Lol. Oh no, I was actually referring to the side discussion topic we were having about LA gangs, especially B's / C's spreading prior to the crack
Era/mid late 80s, and how you popped in with "sorry to spoil the fun" comment as if you were correcting somebody.

But yea I think it's pretty interesting how so many hoods all over decided to fall under either the Crip and Blood umbrella back then. Beside just a couple in San Bernardino.

Maybe not correcting anyone, but certainly adding some much needed perspective.

Truly struck me as odd when C/B sets arrived in Birmingham 79-81. I was quite surprise since I thought B'Ham would be like JackTown , Chi influence, instead L.A wise.

Gets

Precisely. I stumble across a Mississippi article mentioning a member of the BDs being on the lamb here and the timeline was around 78 or 79.

The South will be that roots for Blacks overall and it seems odd that their isn't a gang or similar sub culture to start in the Black South then spread out but it's reverse. Follow the same reverse migration.

BF,

I think there are a few factors that explain it.
Segregation, the intact family structure, and the areas of the Southern states where Blacks lived.
You always had your Blacks in the big cities, striving and doing what they had to do, but I've read that for the most part we lived in rural areas. Family was intact, the extended family was intact. People were born,lived and passed away in the same general area and everybody knew everybody. Segregation by the American south power structure, also created a sort of solidarity among Black folks.

Northern migration to these big cities where the jobs were threw the Black family dynamic for a loop.Living among, working with and competing with Whites who had been in that city already and with Blacks who you didn't know or grew up with.No extended family, no community.The Whites had gangs that would victimize the newcomers. There's the ingredients for your Black gangs right there.

Gets

True. I'm speaking more so during the urbanization of Blacks in the South ( During The same period as the Great Migration). 50s & 60s is the era of generational gangs but you're right about their being white gangs prior.

@ SoCal

Apologize for going off topic

In the 1940s to late 1950s there was a white gang in Los Angeles called the Spook Hunters. They were children and grandchildren of white Southerners who migrated earlier and were raised in racism. It was through them that the black gangs became territorial. Before that they were mostly car club gangs in the post-World War II era. They also affected the Latino gangs. The Slausons, Gladiators and Businessmen gangs formed in response, so they could have protection against the white gang.

BF,

I don't know much about the urbanization of Southern Blacks in that era, but I do know that the big pull was coming from North and Western big cities. That pull is also what caused the overpopulation of Blacks in these metro areas that contributed to some of the other problems that plagued the community. Th transition from rural lifestyle to urban is tough, but done within the same state where you still have ties,bonds is one thing....going to another state/region is a lot more difficult.
My family made that transition as immigrants and we grew up with Southerners who were trying to make that transition. Some of my friends used to go "down South" for the summer and come back describing a place that seemed like a foreign country..(where people didn't lock their doors at night)

Also just looked it up, and confirming what we just discussed...both Larry Hoover and Jeff Fort were born in MS.

Tookie is from Louisiana and Raymond Washington's family is from Texas.

Thanks,F1.
Always going to be tension between groups over resources.It played itself out in these urban areas during times of mass migrations in the form of ethnic/racial gangs.The old group victimizes the new group until the numbers don't allow that anymore and the cycle continues.The group that used to get their asses kicked, turns around and kicks the next group.

Gets

Mainly due to the agriculture decline ( boil weevels, discriminative marketplace, and advance machinery) the movement In Mississippi was from the rural counties to towns and cities ( same for the rest of the South). Hence why so many small to mid size cities down here are 1/3 to majority black.

How was the transitioning for you?

Get when I was a kid everyone would be considered a racist. I remember a girl with a Spanish accent called to speak to my brother Ma picked up the phone. A lot of guy gave fake names when they tried to screw Latin girls from the neighborhood. So the girls asked for their telephone numbers right away.

So she calls asking for my brother Ralph. Ma hearing the accent tells her you got the wrong number don't call here again. I was laughing about it and Ralph was pissed off.

That was the way it was back then. Believe me latins hated whites, blacks hated whites and latins hated black then. It was love every where back then.

I am sure all of us would have hated Oak. No doubt every nationality would have taken his money off him. Because back then we all despised punks with no balls.

Mr. T?

BF,
Thanks. So some of the same forces pushed people out of rural areas to bigger cities in South around the same time the Great Migration was taking place.
My father was from one of the big cities back home, so he came here first, got established and sent for us later. I came here when I was 3 so all I really know is growing up here. My Mother's family was from a rural area so the transition was tougher for her and them. Because my Mom was home raising us, we saw the struggles of her family up close.
Good and bad aspects of rural upbringing. One of the transitions they had to make was recognizing the authority of the state and following laws/rules. If you're in a rural part of another country or here, you know that the state exists....but that doesn't impact your life on a day to day basis.

Another push factor was the Great Mississippi Flood of 1927.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mississippi_Flood_of_1927

@Foot,

Your brother wasn't in a gang called the "Jets", was he? The Latina girl that called him wasn't named Maria, was she?




@F1,

Thanks.


@SoCal,
At what point did the old group (Mexicans) stop victimizing the new group (Salvadorans) out in L.A. area? The typical pattern says that it stops when the newer group has the numbers...but I don't think that Salv.s will ever have the numbers.

Well, the rise of MS13 was partially about Salvadorians protecting themselves from Mexican gangs, and MS13 has a clique almost wherever there's enough Salvadorians living. Then 18th Street recruits Salvadorians and Guatemalans so in that way they sort of fought back or blended in. They won't have the numbers city wide but they can dominate a particular neighborhood and band together.

He was with the Romans not a real gang. My brother was the guy hitting him the other guy with the baseball bat The kid they beating up is Bennie Marino. He was in the French Connection played Boca's ( tony lo bianco's) brother the guy who bought the car at the auction. He was also in the 7 UP's .


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WNv5It7VeEc

We lived a block from the playground where they shot west side story. That play ground was our play ground.

Gets

That's quite the story to live through indeed. Really didn't think of the interaction of the state/laws in the rural areas versus the urban areas. The most adjusting I've experience on a small but similar scale was living in Nashville Metro. Felt weird being around so many people.

Also look into the maps of Chicago Defender newspaper and Illinois Central Railroad. The flooding devastated the Delta and later another flooding as well. Those information and pathways was taken to the Midwest ( recently found one of the railways stop in Aberdeen, north of my city).

Some other newspapers that may be of interest are the New York Age and the California (Los Angeles) Eagle. Both important black newspapers that can be accessed for free at the Fulton Postcards site.

If you haven't read this book, it's a great read: https://books.google.com/books?id=Lf2VCL...927&f=false

Thanks Socal,can always count on you to keep it real.

Recent outbreak of violence out in Long Island by MS-13.

https://www.longislandpress.com/2016/09/...l-through-fear/

thanks F1,

just listened to this brief interview

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4831423

Tv special from the 1990s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH3UlvnHydE&index=60&list=PLZ4nFP3Yb6cUzVWyyG8RLM7DdtXolZiXa

Paul Rodriguez:Crossing Gang Lines