I wish I could say the same. Unfortunately, I've met people that don't want equal rights for women, or blacks, or certain religious groups.

Why would you say "in theory"? Does this mean there is something wrong with it in action?

Reading comprehension. I said what social justice in action can cause

I read it just fine.

Since you don't agree with the type of action taking place in recent news stories, what kind of action would you support?

It would be like saying you believe in a criminal justice system...in theory. But not in action. How would it work then?

jus·tice

noun

1. just behavior or treatment.

Dude, you realize that's not a good source for this crowd? You redeemed yourself by citing the Huffington Post and the other sources. LOL

Well I do have a problem with the criminal justice system in action sometimes so...

The action I would support? Any action that includes acknowledgement of facts, looking at stats and data objectively, emotion is left out and the use of critical thinking but you can't cure stupid so I don't see that happening

A Harvard Student in 2014 wrote an essayed titled

The Doctrine of Academic Freedom: Let’s give up on academic freedom in favor of justice

http://www.thecrimson.com/column/the-red-line/article/2014/2/18/academic-freedom-justice/

This is the kind of thinking I am against.



Lol yeah tried to nip the counter argument in th butt early to avoid a five page discussion

i fucking love auto-correct. it makes for accidental great sentences like this one

Counterargument* and bud*

Good looks Helen. I should proof read what I write when Ivan my phone but you know.

And good looks refers to good looking out and not an unwanted compliment which of course would be sexual harassment and by some definitions a form of rape

Hey Ivan, my phone and tablet does the same. Someday they're going to get me into big trouble.




don't worry honey, i'm not the type to overreact.

Yup I'm giving up for the day

Hey look on the bright side, at least it's not on fire.

Silver lining in everything

As the author points out, academic freedom is an illusion anyway because all professors have to edit their curriculum for time. On top of that, you have professors with their own personal agenda, some liberal, some conservative, that they work into their curriculum. She cited one professor that taught some quack theory about how people are biologically predetermined to behave by their ethnic background, and how another professor taught that women get raped because they're not "ladylike".

Also, there have been conservative groups on college campuses for decades trying to regulate professors into moving their curriculum to the right politically, such as David Horowitz's group, "Students For Academic Freedom", which is really just a front to push for a right wing curriculum.

The author just believes in fighting fire with fire. I can understand that.

No, the author believes in more Far Left-wing bullying, censorship and fascism. You can understand that.

The author points out that the right already has their means of controlling the curriculum, and that the left might as well get into the fight. It's a good point.

Okay.

NYC bombing suspect shot and arrested

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manh...ticle-1.2797960

Fox News’ Megyn Kelly has signed with powerhouse publicity firm 42West. At a time of transition for the cable news network, its star anchor’s contract will be up for renewal next year.

Meanwhile, former Fox News host Gretchen Carlson signed with PMK*BNC earlier this month.

Please, please, please Megyn. Sign with me! You can have everything I have. You can have my organs, my blood.

North Carolina Governor Planted Questions From Fake Reporters To Avoid Answering Ones About Anti-LGBT Law

The Charlotte Observer reports that North Carolina governor Pat McCrory’s campaign planted three fake “press” questions at a recent event to keep that newspaper from inquiring about the millions of dollars of revenue lost by the state after its passage of the anti-LGBT House Bill 2.

McCrory and the state legislation have continually attempted to wipe away doubts and concerns from the LGBT community and local business owners over the ill effects of the law since its passing; while recent decisions by the NBA, NCAA, and ACC have had little effect on McCrory’s feelings on the matter, a recent report from the Charlotte Observer shows the governor’s staff is feeling the heat.

According to the Observer, McCrory’s camp planted three questions under the guise of being presubmitted by that newspaper at a recent event for Charlotte business owners. When editorial page editor Taylor Batten attempted to step in and ask a question, McCrory brushed him off, claiming the previous trio of questions was enough from the state’s most-read newspaper.

When the moderator asked how to get started, McCrory said, “Anything you like. No filter here.” Sure, who needs a filter when you posed the questions yourself?

When I tried to ask McCrory a question, the filter went up. “We’ve got three Observer questions answered already. I think you guys dominate the news enough.”

Of course, those weren’t Observer questions. They were softballs from his staff about what he wanted to do with his next term; how he wanted to reduce the state’s rape kit backlog; and how the state crime lab performed under McCrory’s opponent, Roy Cooper.

Batten confirmed the questions were planted by the McCrory staff in speaking with Ricky Diaz, a campaign spokesperson. Diaz claimed the questions were inserted as an attempt to, in his words, “keep the conversation format going.”


http://deadspin.com/north-carolina-governor-planted-questions-from-fake-rep-1786760853

I agree with Dude about the extreme social justice types of people. He had the perfect description...."fact ignoring and emotional". They undermine whatever they are trying to accomplish by ignoring facts.

For example...police brutality and harassment is a real issue as most Black men REGARDLESS of other socio economic factors will readily tell you(and cite personal examples). BUT...using the name/image of Mike Brown to highlight police brutality/harassment is a mistake.

Facts point to him getting shot down while in physical confrontation with a police officer. He's no martyr, he's a clown who was caught on camera minutes earlier robbing goods and assaulting a clerk.

I'd agree that the extremes of any movement can be assholes. I don't think it just applies to people seeking social justice. I'm a big believer in the horseshoe theory when it comes to political continuum: If we travel far-left enough, we find the very same sneering, nasty and reckless bully-boy tactics used by the far-right.


But related to your point above on police brutality, you have assholes that summarily dismiss the Eric Garner case when it comes to police brutality. Which tends to tell us more about them than it does about the actual issue.

There is far more fact ignoring and emotion among white activists than there is among black activists.

I like and agree with the horseshoe theory.

Yes, there are people who have blinders on when to comes to open shut cases of police brutality and/or murder. Like I said in earlier discussion about Eric Garner case...the cop was choking a corpse after a certain point. It stopped being about "detaining and arresting" Eric Garner long before he died.

I have no words for or feelings toward people who obviously don't see me as a human being(or other Black men as human beings).The feeling is mutual.

Well, specifically related to the BLM movement. Not sure of the racial or ethnic breakdown of the "activists", but every time there is news coverage you see people of different backgrounds out there. And the movement itself is funded by George Soros, who has an Eastern European background.

Tulsa Police Say Man Had No Gun; Video Shows He Had Hands Up

An unarmed black man killed by a white Oklahoma officer who was responding to a stalled vehicle can be seen in police video walking away from officers and toward his SUV with his hands up before he approaches the driver's side door, where he drops to the ground after being shocked with a stun gun then fatally shot.

In Tulsa police helicopter footage that was among several clips released Monday showing the shooting of 40-year-old Terence Crutcher and its aftermath, a man in the helicopter that arrives above the scene as Crutcher walks to the vehicle can be heard saying "time for a Taser." He then says: "That looks like a bad dude, too. Probably on something."

Police Chief Chuck Jordan announced before the video and audio recordings' release that Crutcher had no weapon on him or in his SUV when he was shot Friday. It's not clear from the footage what led Betty Shelby, the officer who fired the fatal shot, to draw her gun or what orders officers might have given Crutcher. Local and federal investigations are underway to determine whether criminal charges are warranted in the shooting or if Crutcher's civil rights were violated.


http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/tulsa-police-release-dashcam-video-fatal-shooting-42192589

Dude was criticizing the "emotion driven fact neglecting craziness" among BLM. I'm pointing out that this is tenfold among modern day white activists, such as the tea party, Trump supporters, etc. If we're going to discuss fact neglecting and emotion in political movements, I don't see why we're only sample sizing BLM, when they aren't even the worst example in modern day politics.

I never said BLM.

I never mentioned race, sex, sexual orientation, or gender identification

You implied those things. You criticized "social justice", which is, by definition "justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society".

polls are not always right guys brexit all polls and bookies saying we would stay and we left even the exit polls were saying a remain victory there was one guy who lost 100k i think betting on it he was convinced we would remain anyone who could predict brexit would happen could have made millions there was some stockbrokers who made a killing but most did not expect it to happen bookies all saying clinton at the moment. Alot of similarities between this and trump alot of people who voted leave were doing it as a fuck you to the government same with trump establishment dont like him so he will get support out of that.

Clintons supporters alot of them are young right? she will win if they actually vote most young people today dont vote and then get angry when the result comes in.

Oak,

Dude didn't write what you said he did.Which is why you weren't able to quote him saying it. I was the one who agreed with his criticisms of social justice movements in general, and fringe elements of those movements specifically. I was the one who applied that criticism to those protesting police brutality in general and BLM specifically.

Let's bring the thread back on track.