http://www.fivefamiliesnyc.com/2012/09/buffalo-mob-may-be-dead-but-it-is-not.html



Chart founded on the web

Boss: ???
Underboss:Robert "Bobby" Panaro Jr.
Consigliere:Victor Sansanese,consigliere from 2012

Captain: Frank "Butchie Bifocals" BiFulco b.1945

Soldiers:

Pasquale "Paddy" Brindisi b.1942
Robert "Bobby" Colao (not sure)
Frank Falzone b.1950
Peter Gerace b.1927 maybe retired
Frank Grisanti
Samuel "Sam" Lagattuta Jr.
Robert "Bobby" Panaro Jr.
John A. Pieri
Joseph R. Pieri Jr.
Victor Sansanese b.1945
Richard Todaro
Louis Tavano b.1941
Joseph Todaro Jr. b.1947

Captain: Russell "Russ" Carcone b.1954 Utica

Soldiers:

Philip "Phil" Corelli b.1963
James "Jimmy" Feliciano b.1977
Frank Ferraro b.1943
Frank Marino b.1940

Captain: Joseph "Joey Paps" Pugliese Canada

Soldiers:

Ignazio "Harold" Bordonaro
Corrado"Cookie" Caruso
Paul "Paulie" Cipolla
Ralph Criminisi
Bruno "Bronzie" DePaolo b.1967
Joseph "Joey Dips" DePaolo
Michael "Mike" DePaolo
Daniel "Danny" Gasbarinni
Dominic Italiano
Vincent "Vinny" Lombardo
Frank "Frankie" Papalia b.1930
Rocco Papalia b.1935
Anthony "Tony" Pugliese

Furio, Robert "Bobby" Panaro Jr, lives in Las Vegas, and is semi-retired. He is not the underboss, but he might be the family's consigliere as he has sat down with members during disputes, or he is just a highly respected member.
Victor Sansanses has pretty much run things for nearly two years, so he might be boss. Buffalo is not that active, or they have staying under the radar. Utica and Ontario crews are the most active, as both have made members a decade ago, with Utica making Cardinale and Feliciano in this decade, Ontario bringing in a few Cotroni guys, while Buffalo has just recently made a couple of guys. Erie, Rome, and Endicott are dead, while Syracuse has a couple of old soldiers left and a handful of associates in that area.
A third of that family is retired or semi-retired. My count is 26 or 27 members left. Could be more.

Thanks Giacomo,so Buffalo made a couple of guys,do you have the names ?

Are those Papalias related to the killed Hamilton boss?

http://mafiamembershipcharts.blogspot.it/search/label/Buffalo?m=0

Yes are the brothers of Frank.

How did you find out that Buffalo had making ceremonies recently and that Utica made Cardinale and Feliciano? If you don't mind my asking.

If they made 4 guys in the last 6 years, then they can't be considered dead in my book.

He made it up as Giacamo does with most things he says, he was exposed as a bullshitter last year.

You really are a weird little prick. Stop making things up.

As for Furio how many times do you have to make this thread to realise Buffalo aren't a viable family?

Utica
Phillip Corelli 2012 or 2013
James Feliciano 2012 or 2013

Buffalo
Ronald Cardinale 2012 or 2013
Anthony Torado 2015? Youngest made man in family at age 30.

Utica still does business with the Genovese family.

I try to judge people by my own interactions with them, but if Giacamo can't mention a reliable source for these claims then I'm afraid I also can't take him seriously anymore.

What are your sources regarding this intel Giacomo?

+1

I noticed this recently on another thread lol he just makes things up

this family is dead has been for years

Buffalo native here, long time history buff and long time reader of this forum. When it comes to the Buffalo family, they ARE still active. There is still a heirachy in place (yes, where underlings kick up to the top and follow orders) and there has been a replenishment of young talent in the last decade. All this talk about them not being viable is bs. Members are still under surveillance by BPD and NYS Police, Im not sure about the Feds but they are thought to be viable per local and state law enforecement's definition. Giacomo may be reaching quite a bit in his assesement but hes not entirely wrong.

There are no Buffalo soldiers who are Syracusans, there are associates, and even they are mostly affiliated with New York and Sicily.

Feliciano and Cardinale have definitely been recently made and have a bunch of 20 somethings under them

This is why I kinda defer to people who live in the area.

Look, the only weird thing I've seen Giacomo post was something about Catalano. But he went back to Sicily.

I went back into the archives, lots of people respected Giacomos post...

What was this big thing that he made up that he was banned for? This is the only forum I go on, there seems to be a TON of drama on these forums lol...

@ gangster report

What other thread, if you mind me asking? Y'all got me curious as hell, as his info always seems pretty good....

Source, New York State Troopers Bureau of Organized Crime report.

It shows Utica is still very active.

The_Rooster, Syracuse has no made men? What about Carlo Pelli? I know he moved to Florida at the turn of the millennium and is in his 80's, or is he just an associate?
Anthony Todaro has a question mark by his name as not sure he is made, but he is active on the streets. BPD has him meeting with with Frank BiFulco, Frank Falzone, and Joe Pieri (excluding blood relations)
Feliciano has about a dozen associates around him, most in their 20s and 30s, with a few in their 40s and 50s.
Cardinale has guys around his age, with a few in their 20s and 30s.
From the report, BiFulco and Falzone both want the top spot, but Falzone has backed off. BiFulco is seen as the top guy in Buffalo, but Victor Sansanses has a lot of pull in upstate New York. Victor is listed in Buffalo, but he is an Utica guy.

I don't know guys, seems on the ball to me.

I gotta look up that crime report, that seems as legit a source as there is, no?

I started a thread years ago and asked if there was any mob activity in Sacramento back in the day. I got a bunch of wannabe goombah chest thumping bullshit in response about how the mob would never bother with a place like Sacramento. Then Vacari responded and gave me a terrific rundown of the SF and San Jose soldiers that were running gambling and selling drugs in Sac. I followed up on some of the names and sure enough there were connections to Sacramento. I don't know what problem people have with Vacari or what thread it originated in but to me it's a bunch of bullshit. Vacari is one of the most thorough contributors here. Also, most of the stuff I see people accusing him of "making stuff up" about are petty things. Getting a name spelled wrong, or being one year off about a certain event. Just real petty shit. Keep posting here Vacari. A lot of us appreciate you. And great info about Buffalo.

@ oak

I saw the same thing in a thread about Joe Adonis, I think it was alfanosgirl who was looking for info, and Giacomo came up with the dope. She was very appreciative.

Hey, look I'm not looking to get into one of these beefs, like shit everyone respects Pizzaboy on here, but I can distinctly remember him and a couple others trying to run gangsterreport off the boards. All cause of some bullshit with that rat Cicale, who a lot of guys seem obsessed about, ( him and Alite, I still don't fuckin understand the interest there...) I think Pizza actually suggested to him to stop posting, it pissed me off then....

I Keep asking, exactly what did he make up? I feel like if YOU guys can't tell me that much, then how much should I take that seriously?

(Like it's been pointed out by guys like Ivey and others, there seems to be a lot of animosity, trolls, and just weird beefs on these forums. And even HE has an irrational dislike of Detroit. Some guy in the Trump thread referred to Obama like he was just dogs shit cause he's black, but I don't fall down the rabbit hole with that shit anymore, I learned my lesson to not feed the trolls, they not interested in OC really anyway..)

Giacomo has posted shit I can't even google, he came through in my own King of Dope thread, and my Paolo Gambino thread with real solid info.
Are you guys sure it wasn't something else? Ivey said a bunch of guys were kicked off a forum for, well actually I forget, but it sounded like some bullshit...

@ oak

Yeah, the only thing I ever saw him post where I was like, " I dunno" , was about Catalano, but even that was like, nothing.


Look we had guys saying Philly was nothing, ( hell I was kinda one of em lol)
But the guys in Philly were like no, they are active. The indictment came out, and everyone that doubted had egg on their face. WE DONT KNOW IT ALL, lol it's cool

Look up a thread with Pizzaboy and a guy from the Bronx named ON_DAFLY, or something to see what I mean. A thread about a guy named Wahoo, they jumped down his throat and called him a liar, and none of em were even in a position to verify of invalidate what he was saying ( Pizza vouched for him) because they weren't from the Bronx. It's like they were jealous, it was very strange to me....

I also wanna add, if a city is big enough to support a sports team, (And even some of the biggest cities can't figure out how to finance em, look at the Rams, or the Supersonics) it probably can support an organized crime network, at the very least, the gambling and shy action so prevalent of the East coast, am I wrong here?

We saw an indictment and arrest awhile back about Sinaloa being there ( which in itself is highly interesting as, to my knowledge they haven't set up shop like that in MUCH bigger NY...) so the idea of a major crime syndicate being there is THAT far fetched? Really? Especially it being a football and hockey town, AND close to the Canadian border. If they are off the Feds radar, it would make sense if we don't hear from them. And why would the local and state police bust up gambling rings? What's the percentage there? Headlines? They get more outta the Cartel/Sinaloa headlines probably....

How is that a legit source when it doesn't fucking exist. What is wrong with you, starting to think you might be Giacamo

No, it isn't far fetched at all CC, but you can't blame someone for being skeptic about Buffalo when it was pretty much consensus among law enforcement and mob watchers that Buffalo was dead. I'm very surprised to hear that they made 2 guys recently who have a lot of associates under them. And if that's the case then they aren't dead in my book.

No, just an associate I dont even think hes alive anymore.

Utica is active, even though it is severly limited to book and shy. Some restaurant and bar scams, theft, arson, revenge type activities.

BiFulco is definitely going to be top of the heap now, and has been stronger than Victor as soon as he got out after that 10 year stint.

I dont know if Anthony Todaro is made but I know he wants to be. Tons of wannabes around him trying to impress. The amount of employees at La Nova that try to jockey for friendship on a daily basis is enough to classify that as a crew alone. Drugs, book, shy, robberies, burglarlies, revenge type activities.

The thing with Buffalo/Niagara is that it has a huge Italian population still, same reason Philly has been able to keep recruiting and recruiting even if that talent isnt anything special, but in 2016 being a special, younger talent in this type of life is few and far between. Italian culture is embedded in Western NY (Amherst, Hamburg, Tonawanda included) and along with that comes Mafia culture, the thought of being the Mafia, wanting to be around conneced guys and wanting to impress them is just a given. From the casino in downtown Buffalo to the casino in Niagara Falls, the influx of tourists and like Cabrini said the pro sports there helps this family stay viable per local and state law enforcement's classification.

If a city can house NHL and NFL that keeps the mob in business there off of book and shy alone.

The death of this family isnt accurate, even if one were to take away the Ontario crew (which I believe is starting to become more and more autonomous and flies more under the Toronto )flag you still have plenty of willing and able guys in Buffalo/Niagara to help maintain its existence. Lets say there is only 15 active made guys left, they are in my opinion, a strong 15 with a good sized network of associates, including knock around guys (and some murderers) that, mixed with the infrastructure of the region, and the recruitment of younger Italian American kids to pull from this family should be considered viable, ten years from now maybe not.

Lol some guys get so defensive on here. Im telling you that these guys are active, Im born and bred here, know they are active as of 2016 and dont need a crime report to verify it for me. Are they Genovese? Gambino? Philly? NO. But they are still viable and active and make money.TONS of Italian American kids out here would love to be recruited, this isnt an easy-opportunity city for the youth to begin with and if the chance of comraderie, power and money is there any sort of person, young to old, Italian or Irish or whatever is going to be attracted to it.

Per FBI standards they may be dead because they dont need to go after them at a federal level and resources go after the big drug suppliers there (Sinola) but per local and state law enforcement the family is still watched and several members are under surveillance. This is directly from law enforcement's mouth.

Mob watchers have counted all the families down and out many times over but that always seems to change. I think the NY Families have died about 20 times now.

@ The_Rooster

Good info my man

@TommyGambino

Look, Ima try to be nice here, you always seemed cool. I like Sonny and Sinatra, they have said the same things about Giacomo.

That's why I asked you guys point blank, WHAT DID HE GET KICKED OFF THE FORUM FOR EXACTLY?

I gave the example of Ivey, and how he explained that a lot of long time posters got the boot from another site for who knows what exactly. Some kinda politicized beef or some shit who knows?

If you can't tell me what he said or made up, why the fuck should I listen?
I mean it had to be something specific, and it had to be kinda big, right? So WHAT WAS IT? I mean, spit it out, is it a secret?


And don't take this the wrong way, but aren't you from like England? Seriously all due respect, but what the fuck would you know about what's happening in the streets of Buffalo? TODAY!!!! Are you trying to tell me Rooster is trolling?

You know when a guy like Dante says, there are tons of young guys in the streets in Jersey, I listen, why would I not?

If pmac says, the Dominicans have a lock on drugs in NY, I listen.


If the philly posters post about philly, I read. Ditto with the New England guys.

When Smeary post about the cartels, I'll always see what it's about.

Furio is IN Italy........

Like I,said, I really don't keep up with forum bullshit and clicks and all these different beefs, its people hating Moes jokes, or if it's Ralphie everyone's a ape, or some other borderline nonsense. ( check the Trump thread) Like sometimes I feel embarrassed coming on here looking for meaningful discussions.

And Rooster is right, it's something I noticed a long time ago. Y'all be taking this shit PERSONALLY, like you really fuckin know these people.
When I see the FEELINGS guys put into guys like Cicale, or Alite, or this city and that one, hell, even the animosity towards guys like Joe Bonnano, baffles me.
And don't even mention any kind of politics, or the racial bullshit....


Is Oak Delusional? Did Giacomo NOT give him good info on the west coast?

Ya know it wasn't that long ago Ivey accused me of NOT READING( Lmao) and making up shit. PLEASE, okay.

I will say this though, Giacomo, you might have to post the actual report, cause this shit won't go away I'm thinking.

And with that, Ima have to take a break from this shit, y'all getting on my nerves. You get more headaches and bullshit than meaningful responses on here anyway.

@ Billybrizzi



I do recommend American Desperado, and 000. I love The Last Godfather too, Luciano Leggio was a compelling figure.....

I am from England, I don't claim t know Buffalo, so I listen to the people that do, FBI, so called mob experts. Yet a guy from California (Giacamo_Vacari) knows the ins and outs of most families in the US, Cabrini, your problem is you want to believe in what he's saying. He's a proven liar, used fake names to make out he was 'In the know'

Yes, Rooster is lying and probably an alt, we've seen people like him come in and make ridiculous statements several times, it's bullshit.