Longtime reader of the board articles,New on the site.Lifetime Queens,Brooklyn born n bred ! I have been to prison on 2 bids,numerous jail visits,fed bop and state. I'll put my two cents in here,Buffalo is far from on its last legs,as is Detroit !I've been around and there is literally TONS of guys,Made and associates everywhere ! I've lived upstate for a Lil while before moving back to the city because I was violated by Nys parole and sent back to the city.Nys, upstate towns and cities are very corrupt and Traditional OC is EVERYWHERE !! They are involved in legitimate business in every shape and form and in every Industry imaginable.There are other problems the feds deal with on a regular basis and just because there are no Rico cases,indictments does not mean OC is not there.During the 1980s and 1990s where traditional OC was public enemy #1 and brought to its knees all the Crime families were stabilized and operating at a high level here in 2016 ! Whether you believe it or not Buffalo is Alive and very well ! They have adapted and operate in a similar but very different fashion .The days of the celebrity,Hollywood gangster BS are long gone , No more crazy whacked out Cowboy shit going on !! The American Mob grew way too big and out of control and needed to be shut down ! I grew up in John Gotti country, Ozone pk and that Moron really destroyed everything for everyone.The feds actually have no clue how many Made guys are out there with all those BS charts they put out ! Smfh, Lmfaoo !! Everything today is White collar, Exploited to no end.Everything is Computers,internet ,web based !! Gambling,Shy and protection rackets are gigantic believe it or not and they not only involve Italians, or other whites, but now they are exploiting other ethnic groups, Mexicans,Arabs , etc . Drugs are HUGE WITH the Italians right now as is working relationships w Street gangs, Bloods,Crops,Latin Kings etc ! Everyone is working together these days unlike ever before, The MC's ! Its endless ! In my opinion, OC is making more money than ever ! Buffalo has never been close to dead !! Today, there's more making ceremonies than ever, On record and on the sneak !

He does it in such a methodical way, it's all very detailed and almost sounds true at times. That's why a lot of people are upset, cause he is able to confuse people who are still learning about this subject. The guy is not your average bullshitter. Don't be surprised if he gets pursued a little more aggressively than others. There's nothing suspicious about it.

You're so bad at trolling.

Not making fun of you for posting on here. Just the fact that most of your posts are awful jokes and not even mafia related, why are you even on this forum? I post on here and The Black Hand you got kicked off there. Who am I lecturing? I'm calling out a known troll in Giacamo.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory. I doubt if anyone in this topic personally knows another poster. The fact is that Giacomo Vacari is being called out not for "getting facts wrong," as you understate it, but for being deceptive and intentionally misleading people.

If I write that John Gotti is still alive and I meant to write John Gotti Jr., that's a mistake, an error. It's not something that's intentional, and when brought to my attention I correct it.

What Vacari does is mix known information with made-up stories as if they were facts, and does so intentionally. That's known as a hoax or fraud. It's like a certain poster from a while back who claimed he was Chuckie English's nephew, but wasn't. When the truth comes out they lose all credibility. In Vacari's case he didn't just fabricate stories one time, he's done it several times.

Why does it matter to me? Because I've busted my ass off doing real research, traveling across the country, making contacts, and spending money trying to put the facts out about certain topics or people. I do that because I want people to know the facts and the truth, so yes, it pisses me off when someone comes along and casually spreads lies like a sociopath or a narcissist seeking attention and posters and readers who don't know enough believe him because he sounds knowledgeable. They are basically being conned. I don't defend con artists.

+1000.

@ faithful.

Very well put.

Listen, this is ridiculous now. I gave my input on Buffalo. Hamilton has not taken over whats left of Buffalos made men. Mr Just say no id trolling for sure. What I gave this board in insight is what info is on the streets of Buffalo

You know I don't have many post and only been here for two years but, it's surprising how many new people popped up these past months. Is that normal?

When I first started I never saw anybody new and now everyday there is a new poster. I don't have room to talk just was curious if that is a normal thing or, maybe because RD is down.

Edit: almost two years

This is funny,I've been reading these boards/Posts for a while now and decided to post something for the first time,I have no clue who anybody is other than reading what people post .But honestly I have never posted on anything in my life on a computer !

It is really hilarious though to pick up a newspaper and read these articles or go on the computer and see that the majority of the people they have pegged as made,associate,boss,UB is so wrong and so far off.The Majority of this shit LE states is outright wrong on every front ! Upstate NY is overloaded with traditional OC, Albany,Utica,Syracuse,Rome,Orange county,liberty,Monticello,Rome,Oneida,Malone,Washington ville,blooming grove,ramapo,Yorktown heights, etc etc ! Shit has not changed in over 50 plus years ! Legitimate biz,shy,bookmaking,casino style gambling is literally everywhere and most of the Labor unions in the upper tier,capitol region,downstate are still majorly influenced and controlled by OC and their companies.It makes no difference to me,But that Rooster guy definitely knows what he's talking about,Buffalo is Alive and Well ,There are plenty of young guys up there and nothing has changed dramatically except demographics,People adapt and carry on .

'm from NYC,so I have nothing to gain ! The Colombo's have a huge presence up there,as do Genovese,Gambino !And all that BS with the Colombo Bros. Being separate from the family and not kicking up is also funny too, Chris is like fucken Napoleon up there in Orange county and surrounding areas with a small army , His brother Anthony was always in Buffalo,tonawanda,Rochester etc with the Buffalo guys,young n old and held sway ! And contrary to what people think and say, Pennsylvania, Scranto,Wilkes Barre, Knuckletown has a nice size Genovese crew including guys from Michael Genovese's Pennsylvania faction no one has ever heard of, And there's no info online about ! Its really funny how all these people claim this or that is dead and gone !

And can somebody please, WTF is Trolling ?? Sorry but I'm computer illiterate, I don't do FB, social media or anything

So freaking well said. I remember when I had called him out on it, I couldn't find the words to explain to explain why I was being so harsh on him, but you put it perfectly well. He mixes lies and bullshit with factual information, in an effort to intentionally mislead people and spread false information. I also feel it's a slap in the face to guys like yourself, whom have researched and give all us inspiring mob researchers insight into so many things related to LCN.

It means you've got mental health issue Giacomo.

Just give it up little man. No one buys anything you say anymore. It's not even remotely funny. You went from being a rather unique bullshit artist to someone people feel sorry for lol.

There is Absolutely NO WAY POSSIBLE for LE to know how many made guys there are, Theyre nowhere close to what they claim.And that's especially true for Buffalo , But what do I know ? On the other hand,Something unrelated to this post, They claim the Bonnano family is falling apart,decimated,this n that and all the other nonsense you read from these historians,columnists,LE BS .The Bonnanos are like fucken Cockroaches, They have been making guys NONSTOP for like the last 7-8 years, They have KIDS literally,in Howard Beach, Middle village,Maspeth,ozone park,Glendale that have been made in the last 3 years that are no older than 23-24 years old, There's 2-3 that are about 21 , There are rumors from everyone of them making 18 year olds ,And I'm from the area and I've seen it , There's newly minted Captains that are no older than 24 that are unknown with 6-7 soldiers each ! So I know as fact,and take those charts and BS with a grain of salt !

Hey Mr., is it true the Bonanno's are recruiting kids that haven't gone through puberty yet?

The information Giacamo's given me about Northern California that I've checked up on has checked out. I'm not saying the accusations against him aren't valid, I'm just giving my .02 based on my experiences with him. I've had no problems with him.

Don't confuse rehashed material from Jimmy Frattiano books as information that only Giacamo was privy to.


And lol @ 24 year old captains being the majority.

His name came up SinatraClub, but the information I provided to OakAsFan, would not be found in the weasels book, and can be verified by real research and not just by googing. Faithful1, that was not aimed at you or a few other respected researchers on here.
I am not those posters either.

MRjustsayno I hear lA nova pizzeria needs A dishwasher.

very well said faithful, and I know for a fact you do RESEARCH VERY WELL, you are the real deal. you remember the guy that wrote that mob book- alex hortiss, "the mob and the city" he was on here and he said that you were a true researcher- you and he had discussions.

Thank you Binnie, and others, I appreciate the kind words. The point is that I'm interested in facts and truth, and the intentional spreading of misinformation is the enemy. I suggest to everyone who thinks or guesses that he or she knows something, but you're not sure, just admit you don't know instead of claiming things that may not be true. Don't jump to conclusions.

It really is Funny how people will believe anything they are told, By, The Media,The historians,The columnists, The SO CALLED EXPERTS,and even Law enforcement !! People who were a part of this Lifestyle, Who grew up in the neighborhoods, who were around know what goes on ! The Mob, Traditional OC is alive and well, and has been for a very long time !! They have endured,adapted,and learned ! All this pure BS by guys like Selwynn Raab and others is fucken hilarious to no end !! These people wouldn't know a real OC FIGURE,GANGSTER Or whatever you wanna call em if they were sitting across from them at a dinner table having a conversation with them and a meal !! Law enforcement, The same thing ! They have a target,a job to do, they zone in on a TARGET and investigate ! Because, someone was scared and made a call, there was an arrest, or a few other reasons !! Law Enforcement agencies I guess talk it over and say to themselves hey guys we're gonna go out and search high and low for OC FIGURES and OC ACTIVITY !! OR THE College professors who are from the streets and know all this pure BS !! Yes, we know ,we know , The Buffalo Family just all said, hey guys no more of this TRADITION,NO MORE OF THIS LIFESTYLE,NO MORE MAKING GUYS,NO MORE SCAMS, NO MORE SHY,NO MORE LEGIT,NO MORE DRUGS,WE WILL ALL GO HOME,OH HOW MANY OF US MAFIA GUYS ARE THERE ,UMMM UHHH ONLY 12 OF US LEFT, OH OK , IN THE NEXT 2-4 YEARS WE WILL PACK IT IN,RETIRE WITH ALL OUR MILLIONS,OR RETIRE BROKE,WITH ALL OUR TRADITIONS AND EVERYTHING ELSE,HEAD DOWN TO COSTA RICA, AFTER WHAT, HOW MANY YEARS, UHHHH ,70 YEARS IN BUSINESS AS THIS MAFIA,THIS FAMILY, WE'RE BEATEN,THE FEDS,THE COPS, LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS BEATEN US AFTER 70-80 YEARS IN BUSINESS,LETS CALL IT A DAY GUYS,WE'LL LEAVE ALL FUTURE RACKETS,SCAMS,AND ALL THIS MONEY ON THE TABLE,IN CASINO AND SPORTS GAMBLING AND WE'LL RETIRE TO THE FUCKEN VATICAN,I HEARD ITS A GREAT FUCKEN LITTLE COUNTRY, WE'LL HANG OUT WITH THE FUCKEN POPE AND COLLECT DONATIONS THROUGH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN RETIREMENT !! OHHHH WTF SAL, WHY DID YOU MAKE THOSE GUYS, SAL WTF, HEYYY, SAL MADE 12 GUYS IN THE LAST 4 YEARS ,HOLY JESUS FUCKEN CHRIST SAL ,YOU MADE FUCKEN 12 FUCKEN GUYS OHHHH AYYYY, ANTHONY WTF, I THOUGHT SAL GOT THE MEMO WE'RE ALL RETIRING, LEAVE ALL THE MONEY ON THE TABLE, GIVE IT TO THE CHINESE,THE PUERTO RICANS,BLACKS,MEXICANS AND DONT FORGET THE FUCKEN CAMBODIANS ! UNBELIEVABLE !!!

Just say no - Youre really foaming at the mouth but if you claim you know whats what in Buffalo, Ill give you a chance to verify to all of us, whats the popular restaurant on the river?

Appreciate the contributions rooster i was born in Yonkers and moved to southern Connecticut when i was 15 so most of my family is between Ct Ny and Jersey so i dont know shit about the mob in buffalo but its not unbelievable to me that theres still a small family operating to an extent in that area seems like plenty of money to be made ive been up there on a few occasions with a friend of mine to do some business with a cousin of his that lives up there needless to say had a great lunch up there at a place called the red coach inn i think it was been a couple years so i might be off qith the name on that one but had a great dinner at a italian joint up there Michaels its been around for a while i guess the food was excellent there was six of us and we had a great time i would definetely go back if i was up that way again anyways i enjoy your posts i dont think anything major is up there but i believe a small family is still making moves and with the italian population and the willingness of alotta young guys these days i bet if they wanted too they could probably make some guys thats just my 2 cents i could be totally wrong u just got me thinking when i saw your post about the restaurant i thought about when we used to go up that way . HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE BB AND YOUR FAMILIES!!!

Small indeed, but viable and not dead. Still a structure, still making money and still capable of violence. If this wasnt such a heavy Italian region wed be talking about it like it was Pittsburgh or Cleveland, etc., etc. but it is. Happy Thanksgiving

but pitt and cleveland both have more italians then buffalo so there goes that analogy

Watched about a half hour of the James Caan movie so far, Hide In Plain Sight. Pretty good. Acting's a little cheesy (except Caan, of course) but it's a good story and the on location shots of Buffalo are awesome. The only full movie link on youtube has french subtitles but they're not too much of a distraction.