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Not kissing ass here, Sixth Family is probably my favorite mob book after Raab's Five Families..

You know what's a book I couldn't get into? Gangbusters by Ernest Volkman.

Underboss by Peter Maas wasn't bad but the book seemed more like a transcript of a conversation with Gravano than a book with a flowing narrative.

Whatever misgivings about Al D'Arco and the veracity of what he says, Mob Boss is a good book and gives you an idea of what it was like growing up in New York in an Italian-American family in the 1950's. He's a good storyteller.

George Anastasia books are always quick and easy to read. It's kinda disturbing how often he calls *insert mobster* handsome, though it makes a good drinking game while you read!

One of my favorite scenes in anything ever

Mentioned 2 my wife about a month ago that i was gettin' low on reading material, & she purchased a few that she knew i didn't have..(she cares enough 2 keep track of my hobbies,a good woman)...anyways, I just got through (Donnie Brasco: Unfinished Business)..I was behooved that i didn't know this existed ,the copyright 2007,,me of all ppl..i was mad @ myself 4 not keeping up or missing this one ..I'm a Pistone fan & pride myself on my knowledge of early bonanno yrs. Thought it was not bad, even though it rehashed some stories everyone knows,but liked the little inside stories(like when he had 2 meet Lefty @ 12:00 midnite in a deserted bar) & the topics on working w/ Johnny Depp & Al Pacino.. anybody get 2 this piece of material?? any thoughts???

Out of curiosity how many organized crime books do you own ?

I got 106 but I am quite sure I am not the only one on this forum that has that many or if not more.

Nah, Murder Machine doesn't state this either. It says they ate Pizza while there'd be bodies draining in the bathroom shower. And I'll tell you why they gave him the nickname Dracula, or atleast why I think. It says in Murder Machine clear as day, that while they all murdered people, only a handful of the crew members actually partook and enjoyed doing so, in the dismembering of bodies. So while you and Moe claim that despite it not actually being stated in the book, that it wouldn't be that much of a reach that DeMeo & Guglielmo "drank blood". Cool, and don't confuse any of this as me trying to say "You're wrong", you might be right for all I know. At the same time, why would it be so hard to think that crew members gave him the name simply due to his fondness for blood. And that doesn't mean he bathed in it, but that he simply liked doing the dirty stuff, like dismembering bodies, and cleaning blood off his floors? I keep seeing this word "alluded" to defend this "blood ritual" thing, thats not really proof.

That doesn't disprove what you highlighted in bold either.

Joe Coffey who led the OCTF said Roy De Meo drank blood.

He knows more than you do.

Hard as it is to believe.

You're right Sinatra, I (we) really don't have proof. But keeping an open mind about your theory for the nickname Dracula...it doesn't quite add up for me. I could see them calling Guglielmo "Dracula" for doing the dirty work if he was in fact the main one or one of the main ones doing the clean up that they would do after a killing in that apartment. But he wasn't the only one involved in that, if at all. I think maybe it was Henry Borelli that wasn't big on clean up and using knives and whatnot. He was more of a trigger man and didn't like getting his hands dirty. The rest of them were into it and had no problem with that, so far as we know. So what we have here is a group of killers, who all killed, and who all participated in the clean up...but they called one guy Dracula.

I read that part, the part where he had to meet Lefty in a bar to explain himself, and there was maybe another guy guarding the door so he couldn't run. That was awful. You think about pictures of Lefty, how he looked like an android with unblinking eyes. In a situation like that, Lefty must have been terrifying. Joe Pistone really risked everything to do his job.

he def was an odd looking dude,scary 2 say the least.

If DeMeo did that he's just as stupid as he is fucking gross. 1970's... Hello AIDS much?!?!?! Let me wash down...

"Yum lemme wash down this slice of Lenny's Pizza with a big gulp'a Chris Rosenberg's AIDS blood! So good I can just feel my immune system suckin it up makes the crust all soggy." Jesus. Now THAT woulda been some nice Greg Scarpa style karma for Roy.

I thought the AIDS panic started in the 80's?

moe, aids epidemic started in 1979, by the Haitian boat people who came here during the carter administration. check it out.

Anyone have a baby picture of Luciano?

The Silent Don: The Criminal Underworld of Santo Trafficante Jr. by Scott M. Deitche. Thoroughly researched and informative book about the Tampa mob boss. I already knew about the CIA and JFK stuff, so I was pleased that there was plenty of info about Trafficante before and after those events. He definitely had an amazing life.

One of my favorite reads was his lawyer's book even though the topic about them(santo & carlos m.) involved in & admitting the j.f.k. thing met some skepticism..not from me though.

Joe Coffey is a known embellisher of stories , so it doesnt matter what crime force he led, Moe. And I do research on some of these things after I hear them , as do others , which is why its perfectly fine to question Joe Coffey , as others have done also . But eat up his words if you want .

I just finished the book by Al D Arco, I thought it was very good, I like Jerry Capeci he is a very readable author. Al D Arco seemed to be a pretty straight shooter as well as intelligent. He was used by Casso and Amuso and those two guys were paranoid along with just being sheer greedy. They wanted to wack everyone and they made up reasons but the real reason for many of their murders was to take the spoils from the victims wether it be a loanshark book, business legal, illegal.
I dont picture Al D arco as a loudmouth, bully type of gangster. I know for fact he did sanitize a little of his history especially when it came to Babania. Al may have been in the Babania biz a little deeper than he let on , in the book he kind of makes it seem like he attempted 2 deals that had bad product but the 3rd deal was with a guy who had inadvertently got hooked up with a UC DEA agent. Funny thing is the guy that got Al involved with the babania conspiracy case also got a whole bunch of other guys pinched from the Genovese and Gambino familys. Frank Solimene was the guys name and he was always listed as a fugitive from the indictment truth be known if it could be proven Frank Solimene was more than likely in a shallow grave somewhere when the indictments came out.
The interesting part of Al D Arcos book though is that he was born in 1932 so he was able to meet the OG players and here their stories, he passsed them on to us and for that I thank him.
I dont blame him for flipping, he played by the rules and he was going to get murdered for it, I dont care how tough anyone is more than likely they would have done the same.

If you take the word of people who lie, cheat and steal for a living over a respected detective then you are quite simply a moron.

It isnt taking anyones word for it, its simply not believing a story and scenario when that story and scenario doesnt add up with known events.

I can't understand the backlash towards guys like Coffey and Pistone TBH.

It reminds me of the amateur sleuths who try to solve cold cases like the Zodiac murders online, thinking they know more than the detectives that actually worked the cases.

Because they say bullshit and come up with the silliest , most bullshit stories of their lives of crime fighting. Like Joe Pistone and the myth that he was so close to being made. How, Sway, How? Considering literally everyone outside of the Sonny Black crew suspected him of being an UC? You think Galante or Rastelli wouldve held a making ceremony for him? Especially Rastelli, with Massino having his ear and all, and Massino being among those who knew he wasnt right. Balistreri cut contact with Lefty, Sonny Black, and that entire regime because he suspected Pistone of being a rat. People like him, tend to overstate their importance within that world. Also shows you the type of brokesters Sonny Black and his guys were, they were desperate for a money maker, that they were willing to look past the obvious, like his silly, unrealistic, non-Italian name of Donnie Brasco, just to make some bucks and enhance that crews little sphere of influence.

Are you honestly trying to say you know more than Joseph Pistone and Joe Coffey?

Guys who have been around these mobsters.

As opposed to someone who has probably never left his mother's basement, like you.

Give us a break.

I read mob books too, Sinatra, but I don't claim to know more than I do.

I agree Moe, he thinks he knows everything.

Lol Ciment, give it a break man. You simply cant let bygones be bygones can you?


Pistone states in his own book that Balistreri cut contact with him and Lefty and that he suspected Balistreri was on to him. More than one source states Massino didnt trust him either.

And the guy with way too much time on his hands, is from Ireland so he believes every single fed claim and news article on these subjects and a higher post count (not that that matters, its just ironic), accuses someone of never leaving a parents basement.

I doubt it very much, ive never even seen a picture of Lucky as a teenager.

Just walked into barnes theres a new book called scores by the guy who ran the strip club n was a fbi informant. Wasnf this guy a child perv. I skim threw it didnt even know this was coming out could be good rite?