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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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11/22/16 05:16 PM
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just to remind you he is now the POTUS. it makes no difference now what he does, everything is behind him now, he WILL do anything he wants to do and nobody will say squat. he has a republican senate and house.
the man is virtually untouchable. deal with it! Hmm....the leader is above the laws? That seems almost like a dictatorship Is that what we are now? And if we are, then it's really time for the revolution. Check your ammo and watch your 6.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
[Re: cookcounty]
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11/22/16 08:23 PM
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We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years No, we were in the gutter under Bush. We were in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and, Obama got us out of it. america will realize how decent of a job that obama did when trump is tanking the country and getting us blown off the map http://www.allenbwest.com/michellejesse/stock-market-hits-new-high-cnn-finally-admitsCNN finally admits stock markets hits new highs on account of Trump 
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
[Re: olivant]
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11/22/16 11:10 PM
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The electoral college isn't going anywhere. You need two thirds of the senate and 3/4ths of the states.
Two thirds of the Congress ... or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States I don't think that's correct.I think two/thirds of both houses and approved by 3/4ths of the states. Either way, its not going to happen any time soon. The republicans control most of the states in this country and the house and the senate.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/22/16 11:17 PM
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The only states with firm democratic control are in places like New York, Mass, and California. Where all of the people are. Go figure. All the more reason to put an end to the EC. At one time it served the purpose of giving the little farmer in the middle of nowhere a say, but today it's more often used to keep control in the hands of a group that doesn't come close to representing the majority of the country anymore, white male Christians. I find it funny that the democrats, who complained that trump wasn't going to accept the result are now the ones not accepting the result and complaining about it. It's childish behavior. It's being a sore loser. Hate the player, not the game. Trump is the president. You can keep fighting but i would suggest the democrats re-tool. Keeping people like Nancy Pelosi as the head of the party is not a good move. In 2020, the electoral college will exist, and the Democrats are going to have to find a way to win it.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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just to remind you he is now the POTUS. it makes no difference now what he does, everything is behind him now, he WILL do anything he wants to do and nobody will say squat. he has a republican senate and house.
the man is virtually untouchable. deal with it! Hmm....the leader is above the laws? That seems almost like a dictatorship Is that what we are now? And if we are, then it's really time for the revolution. Check your ammo and watch your 6. lest you forget, the viet nam war millons were against it, much of congress was against it, huge demonstrations started in 65- continued in 1970 until Nixon had kids murdered at kent st. then it lasted 5 more yrs, bush's war started in 2001, its 2016 still going on. point....... nobody is going to revolt, they will get shot down in the street. GET REAL !!
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/22/16 11:49 PM
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"It's childish behavior"
"Hate the player, not the game" Way to come back with the stereotypical smug, rich, white liberal response. I can only assume that you represent the best and the brightest of your state. I say that not at all sarcastically.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/23/16 01:36 AM
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That is why most major corporations located in Union areas adopted the so called "Southern Strategy". Big businesses locate wherever the labor is the cheapest and most abundant, in other words, where people are the most depraved and desperate. That's probably where the south comes in. The big businesses do not see the people living in these regions as actual people, they see them as a commodity. A cheap one. All that would stop companies from this exploitative tactic is unions. As far as the rust belt states not believing Trump is going to bring back the good paying, full time manufacturing jobs (which don't exist without unions), you might want to reexamine some of his campaign promises. They can see me as a 5 headed unicorn if they want. As long as their lining my pockets year in and year out I coudn't care less.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/23/16 01:41 AM
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We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years No, we were in the gutter under Bush. We were in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and, Obama got us out of it. Obama did nothing. We are still not out of it. Obama burdened us coming out of it with programs like Obamacare which further burdened the economy and prolonged the recession. We're about to bounce back tenfold now. January 2017 baby.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/23/16 01:48 AM
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I share your cynicism, Binnie. But I wonder what would happen if everyone refused to enlist into the military. Would they impose a draft? That would at least force a lot more middle to upper middle class people to fight (I'm sure the rich would still find a way out of it), as opposed to the disproportion of poor people who serve now. General strikes could be an effective tool, a trick we've never really tried here in the States. Do you know why we've never really tried to refuse to enlist and it would never happen? Because a majority of Americans are patriotic and still love this country and will fight for it. It's evident that many Americans feel this way because....well...look who we elected President. But I do hope people keep trying to push the politically correct, left wing liberal view upon America because it's really starting to swing in our favor. So I hope Rachel Maddow and Company keep up the good work. Trump will be re-elected as long as Maddow is still pushing her left wing view in 2020.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/23/16 02:04 AM
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We're not in a recession right now. The last recession ended in June of 2009. Obama inherited it, from Bush, and ended it.
I think you missed my point about military service. I'm responding to Binnie's point that our government will go to war whenever they like, and the people will just go along with it. What if the people didn't? Just a question. That's all.
As far as the majority of Americans being willing to fight for this country, I'm sure we wouldn't have had the recruitment issues we did during the Iraq War if that were the case. That's why I told Binnie that a draft would be interesting. Finally a lot of these war hawks who want war but don't want to serve in them might have to.
You really believe the recession ended in June 2009? Obama worked quick his first six month didn't he? What did he do to bring us out if you actually believe that is the case, which I can tell you as a working guy we are not out of it. Not yet. Please don't bring up the "jobs saved or created" data because we all know that was a load of horse shit. Only 7 percent of counties in the United States have bounced back to their pre-Recession peak by the end of 2015.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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11/23/16 03:02 AM
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oak, I don't think a draft would work, the only way it could work if they paid the draftees much more than they could working, if they can't get a job, join up.
I would hate to see us get involved heavily in the middle east, and have thousands, upon thousands, of boots on the ground and if it came to draft resisters, yes, they would drag them out of their homes,either fight or go to a labor camp for 20 yrs.
trump would for sure punish draft resisters at guantonamo, he's for torture. would he torture American citizens to get his way? the day is coming where even critizing him on the internet will be forbidden. you just watch!!
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/23/16 03:42 AM
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We've been in the gutter for the last 8 years No, we were in the gutter under Bush. We were in the worst recession since the Great Depression, and, Obama got us out of it. Obama did nothing. We are still not out of it. Obama burdened us coming out of it with programs like Obamacare which further burdened the economy and prolonged the recession. We're about to bounce back tenfold now. January 2017 baby. u do realize that u just acknowledged bush is the reason our country is in shambles if Obamacare is the only thing you can use to illustrate how bad of a president obama is then you aint got much
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
[Re: OakAsFan]
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11/23/16 07:14 AM
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. I'm aware of Kent State, but there at least was a public political action taking place. What would our government do if everyone just refused to join the military? Would they just start dragging people out of their homes at gun point? Just something I like to ponder for the sake of discussion, that's all. I've always found it odd that we all know about Kent state, but people rarely mention the killings at Jackson state, 4 days later, or at South Carolina state in 68. Of course, none of these incidents were the first time the government killed innocent civilians without justification, as many coal miners and laborers can attest. Hell, they even sent the army to fire on the Bonus Army during the depression, killing 2 vets. So much for respecting the troops...
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I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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