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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/29/16 03:06 PM
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Trump is not even president yet and he is already making calls to Carrier, Gates & Apple company; trying to make them create and/or keep jobs in America. That is something the president should have done. yeah while blowing off intelligence agencies going on Twitter rants....he'll be impeached by june 2017 You will need to win more seats in both houses to impeach. Good luck with that. You just worry that Hillary and her cronies don't end up in jail.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 01:54 AM
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Trump is not even president yet and he is already making calls to Carrier, Gates & Apple company; trying to make them create and/or keep jobs in America. That is something the president should have done. yeah while blowing off intelligence agencies going on Twitter rants....he'll be impeached by june 2017 You ever look into history and all the things the intelligence agencies have gotten us into over the decades? Including trying to assassinate your buddy Castro. It's amazing how people these days are so misinformed. Take your buddy Colin Kaepernick. Rich athlete, raised by white people. But takes a knee during the anthem to protest racism and oppression. Then wears a shirt with Fidel Castro on it and talks about all the great things he has done. Castro. One of the 20th centuries worst oppressors. And to boot, Castro was racist himself against black Cubans.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 01:57 AM
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Trump would have just used the Dick Cheney strategy against Bernie and scared moderates away from him. Whenever Democrats go soft on foreign policy, Republicans pounce on it and become war hawks. Trump didn't scare moderates. He had this ludicrous idea to pander to working blue collar voters. A segment of the populous that Hillary ignored and instead pandered to men who wanted to use the women's bathroom. The Clintons are done for. America sent a clear message that they're sick of the Clintons.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 02:14 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. Much of the country is tired of war. Certainly tired of nation building and interventionism. Most people, including the average republican doesn't want war, they just want to a strong defense. It's just that during the Bush years, the neo cons duped the average republican and moderates into being nation building interventionists. the 9/11 attacks helped get people on board that otherwise wouldn't have. I agree. billions, and billions spent on wars. the afghan war 15 yrs old, what have we gained? where is the return for the money spent? we could have put millions of people to work with that war money. why was bush and cheney allowed to just walk away from what they caused, leaving the country like a baby leaves a diaper!
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 02:16 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. Much of the country is tired of war. Certainly tired of nation building and interventionism. Most people, including the average republican doesn't want war, they just want to a strong defense. It's just that during the Bush years, the neo cons duped the average republican and moderates into being nation building interventionists. the 9/11 attacks helped get people on board that otherwise wouldn't have. Well, that's what Trump would have done. Trump is a politician and a salesman. He exploits every opportunity there is to close the deal. It's in his nature. Hillary had a hawkish background so Trump played the role of a reasonable centrist on foreign policy. Had Bernie been his opponent, he would have flanked him to the right. Maybe. But he didn't come with all that baggage that Hillary did.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 02:22 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. Much of the country is tired of war. Certainly tired of nation building and interventionism. Most people, including the average republican doesn't want war, they just want to a strong defense. It's just that during the Bush years, the neo cons duped the average republican and moderates into being nation building interventionists. the 9/11 attacks helped get people on board that otherwise wouldn't have. Well, that's what Trump would have done. Trump is a politician and a salesman. He exploits every opportunity there is to close the deal. It's in his nature. Hillary had a hawkish background so Trump played the role of a reasonable centrist on foreign policy. Had Bernie been his opponent, he would have flanked him to the right. Maybe. But he didn't come with all that baggage that Hillary did. a very good point, she certainly had the baggage, and the dems were so sure she could beat trump, they ignored all of her scandals and ran with her, BIG MISTAKE!
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 02:32 AM
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Maybe, maybe not. Much of the country is tired of war. Certainly tired of nation building and interventionism. Most people, including the average republican doesn't want war, they just want to a strong defense. It's just that during the Bush years, the neo cons duped the average republican and moderates into being nation building interventionists. the 9/11 attacks helped get people on board that otherwise wouldn't have. Well, that's what Trump would have done. Trump is a politician and a salesman. He exploits every opportunity there is to close the deal. It's in his nature. Hillary had a hawkish background so Trump played the role of a reasonable centrist on foreign policy. Had Bernie been his opponent, he would have flanked him to the right. Maybe. But he didn't come with all that baggage that Hillary did. a very good point, she certainly had the baggage, and the dems were so sure she could beat trump, they ignored all of her scandals and ran with her, BIG MISTAKE! Yup. I guess it's easy to see all this in hindsight but it appears they did make a big mistake.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 03:01 AM
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NY Times did an article yesterday about people in the rust belt really believe Trump is going to bring the jobs back. The reporter threw some cold hard facts their way about outsourcing and they just insisted that they're keeping their faith. How sad. Almost as sad as in 08 when they believed Obama would bring change and hope and nothing ever came of it. Trump isn't even President and he made a deal with Carrier in Indianapolis not to move 2000 jobs to Mexico. So he has already done more before he is President than Obama did in 8 years.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 08:00 AM
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Trump is not even president yet and he is already making calls to Carrier, Gates & Apple company; trying to make them create and/or keep jobs in America. That is something the president should have done. yeah while blowing off intelligence agencies going on Twitter rants....he'll be impeached by june 2017 You ever look into history and all the things the intelligence agencies have gotten us into over the decades? Including trying to assassinate your buddy Castro. It's amazing how people these days are so misinformed. Take your buddy Colin Kaepernick. Rich athlete, raised by white people. But takes a knee during the anthem to protest racism and oppression. Then wears a shirt with Fidel Castro on it and talks about all the great things he has done. Castro. One of the 20th centuries worst oppressors. And to boot, Castro was racist himself against black Cubans. Yes, people are misinformed. There are reasons that some black people in the US and especially those in Africa see Castro in a positive light. It has to do with the important roles Cuba played in Algeria, Ethiopia, and later in Angola during their wars to throw off colonialist rule, and their opposition to the Apartheid government in South Africa. It has to do with how the Cubans helped Namibia gain their freedom. Of course, most US media didn’t cover these stories, so people are misinformed, or rather, they are not informed at all. We can rightly view Castro as a repressive, murderous tyrant (not unlike the man he overthrew and replaced) and still manage to understand why he isn't viewed this way by everyone across the globe.
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I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 03:54 PM
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Yes, people are misinformed.
There are reasons that some black people in the US and especially those in Africa see Castro in a positive light. It has to do with the important roles Cuba played in Algeria, Ethiopia, and later in Angola during their wars to throw off colonialist rule, and their opposition to the Apartheid government in South Africa. It has to do with how the Cubans helped Namibia gain their freedom. Of course, most US media didn’t cover these stories, so people are misinformed, or rather, they are not informed at all.
We can rightly view Castro as a repressive, murderous tyrant (not unlike the man he overthrew and replaced) and still manage to understand why he isn't viewed this way by everyone across the globe. Agree. Baby Doc Duvalier died a few years back. He and his father killed,jailed a greater % of the population of Haiti than Castro did to Cuba. Plus they ran the economy and country into the GROUND. But they pretty much bent over for Western interests, so when they die...there's no outcry from the Western press about "death of evil dictators" as with Castro.
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 04:37 PM
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Agree.
Baby Doc Duvalier died a few years back. He and his father killed,jailed a greater % of the population of Haiti than Castro did to Cuba. Plus they ran the economy and country into the GROUND. But they pretty much bent over for Western interests, so when they die...there's no outcry from the Western press about "death of evil dictators" as with Castro.
Yes. Haiti is a perfect example. The US has a long history of backing murderous regimes, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Ubico, Trujillo, Duvalier, Pinochet, Somoza (father and sons).... There are many Americans that don't mind human rights violating and murderous regimes as long as it's 'our bastard' doing it. The cries against someone like Castro ring hollow when these same people remain silent on all the others.
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All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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11/30/16 05:34 PM
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It is very difficult for me to comprehend how any heads of state or representative thereof, would attend the funeral of any of these brutal dictators.
they back US interest that's why they attend. Castro was a brutal dictator he gets vilified like others dont because he did not back US interest why is the US still backing countries like Saudia Arabia? own interests this should not be difficult to comprehend leaders are trying to do the best for there own countries and own interest allying themselves with dictatorships may benefit there country,economy or themselves politically
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Sorry for the confusion
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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12/01/16 03:25 AM
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The U.S. has historically aligned itself with all kinds of horrible world leaders. The criticism of Castro by our government and our press has nothing to do with his leadership or morals, it has to do with the fact that he wouldn't let us turn his island into a U.S. resort destination with casinos and brothels. Bautista was open to these things, which is why the U.S. turned the other cheek toward his tyrannical behavior. Okay, let's throw out the U.S. views of Castro. Let's just go with the people who live in Miami and fled Castro's regime. We will only go by the Cuban People's opinion. Does that count?
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Re: what if trumps wins the presidency?
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12/01/16 03:27 AM
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Agree.
Baby Doc Duvalier died a few years back. He and his father killed,jailed a greater % of the population of Haiti than Castro did to Cuba. Plus they ran the economy and country into the GROUND. But they pretty much bent over for Western interests, so when they die...there's no outcry from the Western press about "death of evil dictators" as with Castro.
Yes. Haiti is a perfect example. The US has a long history of backing murderous regimes, especially in Latin America and the Caribbean. Maximiliano Hernández Martínez, Ubico, Trujillo, Duvalier, Pinochet, Somoza (father and sons).... There are many Americans that don't mind human rights violating and murderous regimes as long as it's 'our bastard' doing it. The cries against someone like Castro ring hollow when these same people remain silent on all the others. Like I said, let's throw out the United States views of leaders in Cuba and Haiti. Let's listen to Cuban Exiles views and what they think of the Castro regime. Would you value their opinion?
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