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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/21/16 12:16 PM
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I remember that Alfonso Caruana of the C.untrera-Caruana clan was arrested back in 1998 in Woodbridge outside of Toronto and he apparently lived there. Are there quite a bit of mobbed-up Sicilians in Toronto as well? I wonder if the C.untrera-Caruanas had a lot of connections in Toronto and, if so, they must've lost a lot of power for Agostino C.untrera (who lived in Montreal) to be killed back in 2010. Either that, or they still had their power but the rival faction to the Rizzutos still wanted them taken out so they could takeover.
Also, how powerful was Alfonso Caruana? The media has made him out to be this huge Godfather, but that might've just been hype. He's in Italy serving time now if I'm not mistaken?
So many unanswered questions, but I'm beginning to think that the Rizzutos were not structured anything like the NY families and were more like the families in Sicily or even more like the drug cartels like Sinaloa, meaning more of a looser federation of different groups and interests as opposed to a structured, hierarchical organization... but I could be wrong.
"It wasn't very good parsley to begin with, and then the cat went and peed on it." -Sicilian proverb
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/21/16 12:20 PM
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This article implies the C.untrera-Cauranas have had ties in the Toronto area for decade, but it's odd that they weren't well connected enough to the Ndrangheta to avoid the Montreal war... if the Ndrangheta was involved.
"It wasn't very good parsley to begin with, and then the cat went and peed on it." -Sicilian proverb
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/21/16 03:19 PM
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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...ge-de-laval.phphttp://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/molotov-cocktail-pitched-at-wyte-lounge-in-lavalA Molotov cocktail was launched in a commercial building in Laval after the bars closed. The target location was the Wyte Lounge Restaurant located at 378 Curé-Labelle Boulevard in the Chomedey neighborhood. It was a fire alarm that alerted the firefighters around 3:30 on Wednesday morning. They quickly detected smells of accelerating and a broken window. However, the damage is limited to the trade concerned, so that the adjacent businesses were able to open their doors normally in the morning. The case was transferred to investigators from the Laval Police Service.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/21/16 03:37 PM
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I remember that Alfonso Caruana of the C.untrera-Caruana clan was arrested back in 1998 in Woodbridge outside of Toronto and he apparently lived there. Are there quite a bit of mobbed-up Sicilians in Toronto as well? I wonder if the C.untrera-Caruanas had a lot of connections in Toronto and, if so, they must've lost a lot of power for Agostino C.untrera (who lived in Montreal) to be killed back in 2010. Either that, or they still had their power but the rival faction to the Rizzutos still wanted them taken out so they could takeover.
Also, how powerful was Alfonso Caruana? The media has made him out to be this huge Godfather, but that might've just been hype. He's in Italy serving time now if I'm not mistaken?
So many unanswered questions, but I'm beginning to think that the Rizzutos were not structured anything like the NY families and were more like the families in Sicily or even more like the drug cartels like Sinaloa, meaning more of a looser federation of different groups and interests as opposed to a structured, hierarchical organization... but I could be wrong.
Alfonso is in prison, but his brother Gerlando lives in the Montreal area.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: eurodave]
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12/22/16 08:57 PM
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This past October, Franco Roberti--Italy's national antimafia and antiterrorism public prosecutor--along with a delegation of Italian judges who are part of La Commissione Parlamentare Antimafia (the Italian Parliament's antimafia commission), visited Canada for a series of meetings with Canada's Minister of Justice and other counterparts. Roberti and the delegation were told that between 2009 and the current year, there were 20 crimes in Canada attributed to clashes between mafia groups (mostly 'ndranghetisti versus Siclians) and to clashes between 'ndrangheta factions vying for control of both illicit and legal activities. Link to Italian-language article published two days ago: http://www.ansa.it/legalita/rubriche/spe...48c492c538.html
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/23/16 11:19 AM
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Sorry for the interruption, but when does the leonardo rizzuto trial start? The justice system works very slowly maybe in 2017, he will stay in prison untill the trial anyway. Not sure what the charges are but I think Leo will only be convicted of arms and cocaine possession, not trafficking.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
[Re: Ciment]
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12/23/16 01:10 PM
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Funny enough both Arcadi and Giordano are from Reggio but central to the Rizzuto organization You would think Arcadi being calabrese would understand the power of the Ndrangheta. Del Balso is also a calabrese I believe. Even some of his family members back in Sant'Agata del Bianco are members of the 'Ndrangheta.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/23/16 01:26 PM
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/23/16 02:14 PM
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Funny enough both Arcadi and Giordano are from Reggio but central to the Rizzuto organization You would think Arcadi being calabrese would understand the power of the Ndrangheta. Del Balso is also a calabrese I believe. Del Balso is from Bari like Sollecito
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/23/16 04:42 PM
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If this was a 'ndrangheta organized take-over from the get-go it seems that they had enough respect (or fear) for Vito Rizzuto to reclaim what was his and let him have his revenge... A little peculiar isn't it? This is a good question,I once asked myself that very question but after rationalizing this I came to ask myself what valuable or high ranking targets did the Ndrangheta lose in this power struggle? Then the answer I came up with is none. The people that got killed are all associates from Montreal and none from the Toronto ndrangheta clans. I admit Vito put up a good fight in Montreal while he was alive but in reality his problem stemmed from elsewhere. Good point as the only major murder in Toronto was between ndrangheta cells. The blood was spilled primarily in Montreal
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/23/16 04:46 PM
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Funny enough both Arcadi and Giordano are from Reggio but central to the Rizzuto organization You would think Arcadi being calabrese would understand the power of the Ndrangheta. Del Balso is also a calabrese I believe. Del Balso is from Bari like Sollecito http://montrealgazette.com/news/local-ne...project-coliseeThe article refers Del Balso, caught on tape ,as being from Calabria
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/23/16 04:55 PM
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If this was a 'ndrangheta organized take-over from the get-go it seems that they had enough respect (or fear) for Vito Rizzuto to reclaim what was his and let him have his revenge... A little peculiar isn't it? This is a good question,I once asked myself that very question but after rationalizing this I came to ask myself what valuable or high ranking targets did the Ndrangheta lose in this power struggle? Then the answer I came up with is none. The people that got killed are all associates from Montreal and none from the Toronto ndrangheta clans. I admit Vito put up a good fight in Montreal while he was alive but in reality his problem stemmed from elsewhere. Good point as the only major murder in Toronto was between ndrangheta cells. The blood was spilled primarily in Montreal Maybe some of the Calabrian victims in Montreal like Tony Callocchia and Moreno Gallo have ties to 'ndrangheta.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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12/23/16 05:01 PM
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If this was a 'ndrangheta organized take-over from the get-go it seems that they had enough respect (or fear) for Vito Rizzuto to reclaim what was his and let him have his revenge... A little peculiar isn't it? This is a good question,I once asked myself that very question but after rationalizing this I came to ask myself what valuable or high ranking targets did the Ndrangheta lose in this power struggle? Then the answer I came up with is none. The people that got killed are all associates from Montreal and none from the Toronto ndrangheta clans. I admit Vito put up a good fight in Montreal while he was alive but in reality his problem stemmed from elsewhere. Good point as the only major murder in Toronto was between ndrangheta cells. The blood was spilled primarily in Montreal Maybe some of the Calabrian victims in Montreal like Tony Callocchia and Moreno Gallo have ties to 'ndrangheta. At most they might have some business interests with ndrangheta men but they're not ndrangheta members. Theyre both montrealers that were part of the local syndicate. Moreno didn't even stay in italy very long after extradition
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