There's a real estate ploy!

Mikey Angelina also once tried the greatest legal defense in the history of South Philadelphia. One night pretty soon after Michael Ciancaglini was killed and Joey Merlino was shot, Angelina (who is Marty Angelina's brother) and Mikey Chang's brother-in-law were pulled over on South Broad--they were actually driving Mikey Chang's car at the time, and both had guns. Even the cops more or less admitted that they pulled the car over for some mickey mouse infraction, because they knew these guys were clocking somebody.

Angelina's defense? That the FBI and Philadelphia PD kept warning him he was on John Stanfa's hit list; therefore carrying a gun around was legitimate self-defense.

I think they dropped the charges, too!

Yeah Gary Tavella used that defense and got off as well when he got caught with a gun by OC squad...

Pretty sure that defense was working for both sides at one point during the Merlino-Stanfa war. Anastasia mentions something about it I think, in The Goodfellas Tapes.

This thread is a very intersting topic and I think Furio kinda derailed it alittle unintentionally..But outta the guys mentioned above, are they all made? Who are the associates listed in his crew? Do we have a definite answer as to the validity of the chart?

How close to each other do you guys think Joey Pung and Narducci are? I mean in terms of shared rackets not if they wipe each others asses or wife swap so i beat ya to the joke Moe (haha) As always appreciate any responses fellas, and happy belated new years

Anyone done fed time in northeast corridor? If so u can back me up on this...close? These 2 despise each other..people got to stop viewing this shit like a pro sports league and comparing the 70s steelers to the 2000s pats..it ain't scarfo vs merlino..there ain't no merlino faction...pung ran thru the system bad mouthing everyone..then filed motions denouncing his upbringing and his 'ways'..these 2 , close? Forget it..

Biggie - no I didnt do time and no i didnt know that. Are u saying Pungitore badmouthed and hated merlino? because that I know and definitely agree with. I was asking if Narducci and Pungitore were close and if they had any shared or joint rackets

Man, guys fall in line, or they get released and do their own thing. Like Phil Narducci, got out of prison, wanted nothing to do with Merlino and his representation of Philly LCN, so he started doing his own thing, and has a crew supposedly filled with 10th & O guys whom aren't made. Same thing could be the case with Anthony Pungitore and his brother. Except we have no real evidence that the older Pung has a crew, other than that Dave S "Mob Talks" segment, and even then, they never went in depth as to whom his crew members actually were. They just said he makes huge money flipping real estate.

no, im not saying that..you asked how close pung and narducci are, that was the response....far as phil doing his own thing..ill keep my mouth shut...my response was to pungitore and narducci, nothing to do with with merlino at all

Most people think Milano is shelved and Narducci has younger 10th and O guys like Micali who was in tight with Jack Buscemi who ran the Borgata racket years back. Like what was mentioned above, never anything other than the Schratweiser episode that linked Pungitore to being back involved. Too many people automatically assume a guy is back in the life once he's out, he just did 30+ years.

Not being a wiseass irish, but,who is most people?..us posters or?...

Didnt the pung brothers set up or shot narduccis father? Dont think any lcn rules would let that slip. Wsnt he with sal testa when they killed the father. Biggie i see how you say the pung was denoucing the whole life was it just a ploy to get a judge to shave a few yrs off his long ass bid? Think a patriarca soldier milano who killed bill grasso did that to cried and renounced the lcn in front of the judge who took a few years off. It haapend like 15 yrs after his original sentencing maybe a revise n revoke type court hairing.

If he was that upset with the life all the guys in prison wouldnt fuck with him. His father was a member to who only died a few years back ive always wonder where he was during the whole stanfa merlino era. Guy must have just said im retired leave me alone.

1) Did the chart creators ask for permission before they started stealing pictures from people's Facebook accounts.

2) I have seen similar charts all over the internet which have been altered/downright copied by people on the Black Hand.

3) I don't see what the problem is with sharing it. If people feel that strongly about it they should legally copyright their work, but that would mean they would have to stop illegally taking pictures from people's social media accounts without permission.

4) Furio is a great contributor to this forum and doesn't deserve to be attacked like this.

5) The charts are way off, like VegasMikey said. They are like something you would see posted on YouTube ten years ago.

6) Furio THANKED the Black Hand forum in the first place.

Unbelievable how something like this can turn into an issue.

The issue was dead so why stir it back up? Do you have to chase the guy around in every thread?

Jesus christ man

Wasn't it Testa that shot the elder Narducci?

And then he went right to work for Salvie after that doing hits for him. Twisted life.

Just what I was thinking.

I hold my hands up. I should have STFU. I was trying to defend Furio from being flamed but I should've stayed out of it.

Any more posts from me on this thread will be strictly related to Narducci and Pungitore.

And then Joe Pung in turn set up Salvie Testa, under Scarfo. I think in Testa's girlfriend's book about him, she says Pung (not named) was Salvie's best friend, the one guy he didn't suspect (I think by that point everyone else under Scarfo was suspicious of everyone else).

Didn't Phil Testa have another son who was shelved? Moved out west?

Im pretty sure Phil only had Salvie and Maria with his wife but its possible there was another son from a previous relationship.

Just leave it alone, bro. Regardless of what a "admin" or whatever says, some members will continue to do what they've been doing.

@ Pmac, you mentioned Pungitore being Testa's accomplice in the Frank Narducci Sr. murder, and how you didn't think LCN rules would let that go. If that were the case, then why'd the Narducci brothers start working under Scarfo anyway, and joining up with the crews that were under Scarfo and his regime, in the first place? Going as far to become eventual hitters for Scarfo...The fact that they joined up with the Scarfo regime AFTER the murder of their father, tells me that they just let it be, because as you mentioned LCN rules, LCN rules also say to never question a hit ordered by a boss, so to speak. Especially if the victim himself violated LCN protocol, and Narducci supposedly was one of the main conspirators of the Chicken Man Testa murder. So he violated LCN rules by killing a boss, especially since the hit wasn't approved by the Commission. I'm almost certain his sons were aware of that, they grew up around that life and realized that their father broke the rules, and got found out, and had to pay the consequences. Thats probably why they joined the Scarfo regime in the first place and never attempted to "get back" and murder Scarfo, Leonetti, or Testa.

Fast foward to 2017 how do you think tye narducci bros feel when there at a neighbourhood function and the pung brothers show up. They must want to kill them. Like fuck the lcn rules in 2017 hows it look when the guy who killed your father is at the other side of the bars xmis party. Theres no xmis party just saying. Me i would think you look like a chump. But thats just me.

The truth about who killed there father came out years after they joined scarfos family.

The two Narducci's supposedly don't even get along with each other nowadays. They've supposedly been in more fights and altercations with each other over the past few years, that I don't know if any of them are more worried about the Pungitores than they are of each other and each others followers. And again from all we've learned about LCN, Frank Narducci knowingly violated the rules, again, they grew up around that life, if they felt that strongly about it, why work for Testa, to an extent, and for Scarfo, up until the point where you all go down with each other? I don't know, I just think if there was any animosity in the air over the death of their father, one of the four, or maybe two of the four would've been dead by now.

How do you know this? Where'd you read this at? I think the feds may have already had a suspicion, and the mobsters themselves knew what happened and why, almost immediately after Phil Testa was murdered. From the stories Leonetti & Caramandi gave, the implication is that pretty much the entire Italian underworld from Philly to NY and Jersey in between, knew whom was behind the Testa hit. I find it hard to believe the Narducci's were the only ones who didn't know.I believe they may have already been involved with that life with their father, prior to him being killed. So if you ask me, I think they had to have some idea as to what happened. Just because Frank Narducci was intentionally mislead at first, by Scarfo & Co. doesnt mean the two brothers were so gullible when their father was eventually killed.

Also, For those who say so obviously that the charts are so way off...you obviously know something the chart maker doesn't right? (or you have no idea and will continue to post statements with no insight) Then, why dont you offer to us, and the chart creators, what is off about it and how it should be so it can be looked into and possibly corrected?

So sick of people coming in with matter of fact remarks with zero to back it up. Typically they make a statement to seem to know more than anyone else, then leave or dont back it up...or come up with an excuse like..."well, I know but I can't say"

Yeah they certainly had to know. Everyone in the family knew the plotters of Salvie's dads hit, and they all ended up dead. The elder Narducci from what I recall was also in on the plot...and Salvie personally executed those involved. If they are street guys, how would they not know until it came out in court testimony? They aren't us...they dont need informant and court testimony to know the street talk lol

hoodlum: I'm just going off of this forum, another forum and a few people I know in the area who keep up with neighborhood bullshit.



I agree with all of this. And not that it matters much but Frank Jr. and Phil aren't blood brothers, as Frank was adopted as a baby. Frank is another guy that could more or less also be on the shelf or just out.

Biggie- my mistake I misunderstood what you were sayin my bad pal....i get what u mean about punge denouncing the life may ruffle some feathers but I didnt know he and narducci had any direct beef? I was assuming based just on my own opinions that since they're both scarfo guys and they dislike merlino that they woulda aligned somewhat...without askin u to divulge too much that u dont want to.. what do u think Narducci is doing in terms street shit? I know he has a piece of some restaurant right? Ive read he kicks up to
Mazzone bc he follows the rules even tno he hates joey.. love to know some inside shit if u have any info willing to share

Vegas Mikey....You said the chart is way off...what is off and where is your proof?

And I dont mean your inside info from driving Joey to Starbucks...

Offer insight with your claims or stfu....you are a FAKE.

Philip..as u alluded to..gets the life..he's not bucking the trend so to speak.. In that life, not everyone has to get along, but everyone has to have respect..Philip believes in that life, can't say much more on that...will say the writers just want to lump ' scarfo guys' together..cuz in sounds good..inaccurate...Phil like anyone else has some things working..he does keep to himself more than the others, but he has paper the others dont