Yes, at least marijuana. Catching and locking up those non-violent drug dealers/users cost millions of dollars while prisons are overcrowded with them. Meanwhile killers are getting away with it.

Chicago has the strictest gun laws in the US and have the most murders like 770 last year and they have 7 already in 2017, any civil person who beliefs in life and future should welcome any suggestion to clean it up there whether it is Trump or not, giuliani cleaned up NYC and the murder rate. Philadelphia has seen a drop in their murders recently, but Chicago is a mess, the police have stopped doing there jobs to the fullest extent because of the backlash....4300 people shot last year is ridiculous...time to get rid of the liberal policies of Chicago and start saving the young generations in the city. Federal govt cleaned up chicago several times when the mob took over and made it a war zone, this time should be no different

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Chicago does not have the strictest gun laws in the US, and they haven't since 2010 when SCOTUS struck down the city's handgun ban.

Later, in 2012 a federal appeals court struck down Illinois' concealed carry ban, and then there was another legal battle aimed at Chicago's ban on gun stores. The city lost that fight too, and last year passed an ordinance allowing gun stores. (However, no gun stores have opened yet, which means that every gun in Chicago either came from somewhere else or is illegal.)


Also, while Chicago has the highest numbers they don't have the highest per capita murder rate. They don't even make the top 10.

If sending in the army is the answer then it should be done in St Louis, Detroit, New Orleans, Chester PA and College Park, GA, all of which have higher per capita gun murder rates.

Per capita is a bad argument, plain facts of 760 people killed is only stat needed and 4000 people shot....anyone can get a gun illegally in chicago and the law abiding citizens are caught holding their d*cks when the crap goes down....thanks to Otis McDonald as you cited in 2010 and him getting arrested trying to protect himself legally and his subsequent lawsuit that allowed citizens who obtain guns legally through Illinois and Chicago law, which I do not know to the letter, but the 14th and 2nd amdendment being used to protect Mrf. Mcdonalds right made a step to try and curb the problems of regular everyday citizens in this city. Liberal policies in Chicago have ruined this great city and turned it into a war zone, next they will legalize child prostitution as is going on in Cali.....

those thugs that kidnapped the sutistic man need to be shown on facebook live getting caned like they did the boy in singapore

Guys who tortured the man should go directly to jail...no Burger King stops.



Officials and law enforcement in Chicago have failed at maintaining order, and have been failing for going on a lot of years now. There was a video of a man in the area getting robbed at gunpoint while watering his lawn a few months back that I found especially disturbing.

Some of these crimes are like the brazen acts from the late 70s when lunatics were running around high on angel dust in NYC. I agree with Cook saying that these are crack babies or worse running around doing this stuff.

Anyway, law enforcement has failed in that city. They can make all the excuses in the world and cop leas, but they've got to something else.

Sure Dino, civil rights is the real culprit here. Get real.

Yes, but...Chicago...Obama!!!!

That's what it really is. Before Obama was president, there were no weekly tallys of Chicago gun violence on Fox News. But since it's his hometown, people who already hate him anyway have what they perceive to be a new high horse to sit on.

these junkies wouldn't know who Larry is

this is the most pathetic generation this country has ever seen

Those guys were just bored they needed something to do. Someone shows them how to make money they would not be wasting their time on that useless bullshit they did not mar any money off what they did.

Well Obama's "hometown" and his buddy is the mayor so that could be reason the press is on this issue in addition when you are the murder capital of the US, it tends to lend to people wanting to know why. 2 year olds getting killed by random gun violence as they just sit on a porch should be alarming to everyone. Every single US citizen should want Chicago and its city leaders to try and clean up this shit storm that is going on here. Innocent American citizens are getting killed at almost 2 a day, that should never happen and if the mayor nor the governor are concerned or if POTUS, the past year can take time out of his day to mention a harvard professor getting allegedly profiled he can possibly do something towards Chicago in his last 15 days in office but probably not

Dino,

Both of your options are extreme and cruel punishments. The projects in Chicago are already demolished & renovated. Napalm and you be killing more innocents than criminals. Punish one then punish all who's involved in contributing to homicides which also includes Latinos & Whites.

Napalming isn't a good idea. Glad someone set that straight.

I don't know all the procedures done in L.A to lower violent crime except the Gang Injunctions. Albeit, it's a double edged sword, Chicago should enforce their own version of this injunction in the high crime areas. Keep them from congregatng too much ( legally wise) and be a lessor amount of confrontations. No full proof but a start per say.

LA's crime goes down, Stockton's rises. Stockton's been known for decades to be a destination for Crips moving northbound. I don't know why people can't see the obvious. The crime isn't going away. It's been swept to other places. Look how much worse crime has gotten in the high desert, Palmdale, Lancaster, since it's decreased in LA. Same for the Inland Empire. San Bernardino. Riverside. Moreno Valley. These used to be suburbs of LA. Now they ARE LA.

Helen,

I disagree in using the per capita for cities under 100k due to perception. National Guard already been to N.O back in 06 or 07 and their homicides have been mildly low compared to the mid 90s.
For cities under 100k with a mid size population or smaller doesn't need military aid. For example: My city ended last year with ( according to the per capita basis) 37 per 100k. That's higher than Chicago, NYC, & L.A. Does it need Marshall Law? No. There was only 9 homicides and half the suspects involved have been caught.

Per capita is more or less base on chances.

A lot of LA gang members moved to Vegas, too. Notice Vegas's crime increased in the time LA's decreased.

When cities "get rid of crime", nearby cities pay. They inherit the crime. It's that simple.

Good point, Oak.

High gentrification is just inverting the crime geographically speaking. I notice this year's ago, It's like turning a major city into castle with a molt. Goes from being a donut , Inner-city high violence in the middle of the city, to the Castle theme, Ring of high violence suburbs (not all of course).

People are noting the young fiends but remember the largest driver
is vendettas. Guys losing members and seeking personal revenge.

Mainly Southside cliques nicknaming their cliques & hoods after fallen members then the rivals are disrespecting the dead members. Over half the murders on Southside can be drawn back to tic for taxes.

Westside seems to be the more traditional side with here & there renegade cliques and more focus on racketeering. Probably could find more organized killings over there.

Northside seems to have a bit of both. You section more personal vendetta while another just money. I'm not sure overall though.

Also, This thread needs to be in the General discussion not Organized Crime.

spot on, I mean as like you stated you live in a town with a few thousand and there is sommething like domestic violence and there is a murder involved then that town could be at the top......bottom line is there are great americans living in chicago that deserve to raise their kids and feel safe having their kids and families going to school, work, church and not fear getting a stray bullet take them out, it is disheartening to make this a political thing when the #1 priority should be keeping the citizens of chicago safe and if doing something that works before as in NYC or New Orleans then try it. If the city needs Martial law and curfews in the very highest of the crime areas for a set amount of time then do it and protect the citizens so that the families and children can grow up and thrive and be successful without fear of getting shot before their 10th birthday

well said I was thinking similar

People in Chicago charged with hate crimes on the disabled man, little bit of progress going on in the 2nd city

http://nypost.com/2017/01/05/black-teens-face-charges-for-attack-on-special-needs-white-man/

@merlino

that's not fucking progress, more like regression. things have gotten that bad in chicago where shit like this happens. they should've been somewhere selling dope if this is all they could think to do

There needs to be a moratorium on gun crime-soft judges. Cops need to be able to do their jobs without fear of reprisal from the "community organizers" and their peanut gallery or from the same politicians who cry foul of the crime problem. You can't MF cops every time there's a violent altercation, threatening to jail them; then MF them for backing off 6 months later. Makes me sick.

I don't know if I like the idea of National Guard, unless there is some big riot in progress. Maybe if they are MPs trained in policing. Cops are trained to be cops, and they are familiar with those neighborhoods. Soldiers are trained in war, not police work.
Just my .02, as they used to say.

Dino, you're a freaking idiot.


I think we, as black people or of mixed race, some of us, need to stop playing agenda card. Trust I as much as anyone believe black lives matter, and that young black kids shouldn't be killed for dumb shit like stealing 99 cent dutches. Or black men shouldn't be killed for engine troubles, traffic stops, or selling untaxed cigarettes. But we have to realize that some of these scumbags, simply don't value human life, whether it's the crack that's been in their systems since birth, or whatever, they're minds just don't develop and see right and wrong like sane, worthy people do. It's crazy because I've met so many young black men who are like that. Not all, definitely NOT ALL, even some of those types outgrow that shit after a prison term or two or maybe even less, a lot of them realize that they're old methods and solutions were simply wrong. On the other hand, there are also a lot of guys who wont ever see that, and will grow up into into middle age still thinking their bullshit is acceptable. Those are the types that need to be dealt with. I feel like if you have a criminal record full of excessive violent crimes, you're one of these people, and you need to be dealt with. Simple as that. Regardless of if you're black, white, and hispanic.

Agreed.

Im opposed to turning the military loose on civilian populations, and will never understand why some people would be so willing to allow their government that type of authoritarian role. I would think there are quite a few people in Chicago that wouldn't want armed troops patrolling their streets, and im not talking about the criminals.

I lived in NY in a high crime era. Im sure im not the only one on the board that did. We had about 2000 murders a year on average in those days, and i would not have welcomed martial law then and wouldn't support it now for Chicago (unless of course, the Canadians invade IL from the north).

Someone mentioned this earlier in the thread in re: to the lowering of NYC's crime rate.

Another factor we aren't mentioning with the whole higher vs. lower rates in urban areas is gentrification.

Ex. where I am from Wash DC. The city as a whole was once the murder capital of America in addition to being the actual capital. Things really came to a head and finally improved when Marion Berry(who was strung out on coke and in bed with drug kingpins) was finally kicked out of office by the Feds. Allowing reformers like Anthony Williams and the head of the DC police Charles Ramsey to make drastic changes. Post 9/11 funding and the goverment contracting/tech boom did the rest. DC neighborhoods that I wouldn't have dared step foot in 25 years ago like Columbia Heights, U Street,H street are now lively places, and the murders/drug actvity has plummeted.

The big downside of this in DC(as well as other places like NYC, Boston, LA, etc) is that as the wealthy liberal white yuppies moved in and turned project styled housing into $1,500+(at a min) "luxury" apartments , yoga studios, craft brew bars etc. This has forced large numbers of low income people into neighborhing areas like Pringe Georges and Charles County Maryland. And even into places as far away as the West Virginia Panhandle and Pennsylvania. Inevitably some of the crime has followed and even clashed with existing elements in these places too.

Same thing goes for NYC, LA, etc. Ex. New York gangs have popped up in PA's Leigh Valley and LA ones have set up shop in Stockton.

I don't know where Trump is going with this. IF it's just as a backup to the police when there's riots or disasters that's fine. Maybe this is just paranoia, but if by some coincidence, tanks and humvees show up on your street Election Day, you might feel discouraged from voting. And that's true for anyone Republic, Democratic, or Independent.

what do you mean,, legalized child prostitution is going on in calif? don't mean to change subject, but, this is new to me. are you saying this despicable crime is legal in calif. where are you getting your information? something like this should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law!! where is this horrible sick crime legal!!