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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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01/15/17 08:37 PM
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Thanks Ciment. Interesting sentence regarding the Silvano brothers taking over for the D'Amico family in Granby. I wonder how that played out. The walked into Granby and said this is ours now. Then they got busted. Really? I hadn't heard that. D'Amico's were not intimidated at all by Arcadi. Did they put up a fight against the Silvano's? All kidding aside, the senior D'Amico went back to Italy while I remember that his sons went living in the DR. Perhaps their former turf was up for grabs and the Silvano's stepped in.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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I will definitely watch it, but unfortunately we all know it will have an open ending with many plot holes and loose ends, there is no way to avoid it any more, the only possibility has been lost when the dumb judge didn't give Raynald Desjardins a life sentence, that could "stimulate" him to rat. He was the only one who "could" (theoretically at least) tell enough to clarify how things really went in details. I'll watch the show just to watch it. It is an interesting story and could be good if they do it right. As for Desjardins, he could have gotten life and he wouldn't have flipped. It just ain't happening.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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The article is short on details as to a possible motive as to why Pizzi, his businesses, and personal property have been attacked for such a long period of time, but are we to understand that the reason may have nothing to do with factional disputes but everything to do with his botching up of the drug importation? Are the people attacking him part of the faction he is in? Not for nothing an RCMP officer stated that they didn't see evidence of a new mob war and that they believed these were a matter of internal purges. Could this mean that they are saying that there is infighting within the Sicilian faction? Arcadi vs. the round table?
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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The article is short on details as to a possible motive as to why Pizzi, his businesses, and personal property have been attacked for such a long period of time, but are we to understand that the reason may have nothing to do with factional disputes but everything to do with his botching up of the drug importation? Are the people attacking him part of the faction he is in? When the Rizzutos had problems with the D Amicos, the dispute lasted quite along time before it was potentially resolved. Maybe thats why they haven't killed him yet? Large drug seizures and debts can definitely result in some serious repercussions by suppliers and wholesalers What would you do if someone owed you millions in drug money ?
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Whether this war is internal or not, if they are smart they should stop. All they are doing is weakening themselves to the point that the HA will be there to pick up the pieces. I came across a book that I bought called " The Road to Hell" print 2003. The book is about the Hells conquering Canada. There is a passage revealed by an informant working for the Hells that Mom Boucher wanted to wage a war with the Italians after they were done fighting with the Rock Machine. If true it goes to show you what their objectives were back then. Will the Cazzetta's and their cronies aspire to the same objective is something to think about ? Moms idea was to eliminate competition in the drug trade and the Italians, according to him, were their biggest competitors. He went as far as sending someone to film people going in and out of a Cotroni funeral. Ciment, Do you remember in which book there was a passage about a Hells Angels leader in Quebec -- Normand Robitaille, I think -- having met Vito Rizzuto at a restaurant in the early 2000s? The meeting was wiretapped. During the meeting, Rizzuto told the HA leader that if the Angels crossed Rizzuto, the mafia would give them more trouble than the Hells had seen with the Rock Machine. Back in the early 2000s, I think Rizzuto's statement would have been true. I no longer think it's true because the Montreal Mafia organization, as you write, is being weakened. _______________ On another topic, one that has been discussed in this thread and others, did anyone think that the following part of the article written by one of the Business or Blood co-authors in February 2015 (a few weeks after the publication of the book) seems odd now? (The article was published on Jerry Capeci's ganglandnews.com site.) The crime family that Vito Rizzuto left behind after his sudden death 14 months ago remains relatively intact and is still the dominant underworld force in Montreal today. Its leaders are mostly Sicilians and are primarily in their forties and early 50s, and they have mended their connections to the 'Ndrangheta cells in Toronto.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Great posts antimafia.
It would seem that when they released that article, it was mostly accurate as we saw with the arrests or the table set up by Rizzuto, handing down the crown to second and third generation mafiosi.
I guess most of us didn't expect the challenge to come so soon, the deaths and violence to erupt once more
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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01/16/17 07:12 PM
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Whether this war is internal or not, if they are smart they should stop. All they are doing is weakening themselves to the point that the HA will be there to pick up the pieces. I came across a book that I bought called " The Road to Hell" print 2003. The book is about the Hells conquering Canada. There is a passage revealed by an informant working for the Hells that Mom Boucher wanted to wage a war with the Italians after they were done fighting with the Rock Machine. If true it goes to show you what their objectives were back then. Will the Cazzetta's and their cronies aspire to the same objective is something to think about ? Moms idea was to eliminate competition in the drug trade and the Italians, according to him, were their biggest competitors. He went as far as sending someone to film people going in and out of a Cotroni funeral. Ciment, Do you remember in which book there was a passage about a Hells Angels leader in Quebec -- Normand Robitaille, I think -- having met Vito Rizzuto at a restaurant in the early 2000s? The meeting was wiretapped. During the meeting, Rizzuto told the HA leader that if the Angels crossed Rizzuto, the mafia would give them more trouble than the Hells had seen with the Rock Machine. Back in the early 2000s, I think Rizzuto's statement would have been true. I no longer think it's true because the Montreal Mafia organization, as you write, is being weakened. _______________ On another topic, one that has been discussed in this thread and others, did anyone think that the following part of the article written by one of the Business or Blood co-authors in February 2015 (a few weeks after the publication of the book) seems odd now? (The article was published on Jerry Capeci's ganglandnews.com site.) The crime family that Vito Rizzuto left behind after his sudden death 14 months ago remains relatively intact and is still the dominant underworld force in Montreal today. Its leaders are mostly Sicilians and are primarily in their forties and early 50s, and they have mended their connections to the 'Ndrangheta cells in Toronto. It was the sixth family page 312. In the book road to hell Mom Boucher did consider that they would be tougher but his long term plan was to wage war with the Italian but he said for the moment he will deal with them through diplomacy. I believe he really thought he was indestructible.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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01/16/17 07:56 PM
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I will definitely watch it, but unfortunately we all know it will have an open ending with many plot holes and loose ends, there is no way to avoid it any more, the only possibility has been lost when the dumb judge didn't give Raynald Desjardins a life sentence, that could "stimulate" him to rat. He was the only one who "could" (theoretically at least) tell enough to clarify how things really went in details. I'll watch the show just to watch it. It is an interesting story and could be good if they do it right. As for Desjardins, he could have gotten life and he wouldn't have flipped. It just ain't happening. Whether your for or against,I agree with you he ain't flipping. He is one tough of a S.O.B This guy was waging war and at the same time he manages to take a vacation to Italy and plan for his daughter's wedding.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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01/16/17 08:05 PM
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Whether this war is internal or not, if they are smart they should stop. All they are doing is weakening themselves to the point that the HA will be there to pick up the pieces. I came across a book that I bought called " The Road to Hell" print 2003. The book is about the Hells conquering Canada. There is a passage revealed by an informant working for the Hells that Mom Boucher wanted to wage a war with the Italians after they were done fighting with the Rock Machine. If true it goes to show you what their objectives were back then. Will the Cazzetta's and their cronies aspire to the same objective is something to think about ? Moms idea was to eliminate competition in the drug trade and the Italians, according to him, were their biggest competitors. He went as far as sending someone to film people going in and out of a Cotroni funeral. Ciment, Do you remember in which book there was a passage about a Hells Angels leader in Quebec -- Normand Robitaille, I think -- having met Vito Rizzuto at a restaurant in the early 2000s? The meeting was wiretapped. During the meeting, Rizzuto told the HA leader that if the Angels crossed Rizzuto, the mafia would give them more trouble than the Hells had seen with the Rock Machine. Back in the early 2000s, I think Rizzuto's statement would have been true. I no longer think it's true because the Montreal Mafia organization, as you write, is being weakened. _______________ On another topic, one that has been discussed in this thread and others, did anyone think that the following part of the article written by one of the Business or Blood co-authors in February 2015 (a few weeks after the publication of the book) seems odd now? (The article was published on Jerry Capeci's ganglandnews.com site.) The crime family that Vito Rizzuto left behind after his sudden death 14 months ago remains relatively intact and is still the dominant underworld force in Montreal today. Its leaders are mostly Sicilians and are primarily in their forties and early 50s, and they have mended their connections to the 'Ndrangheta cells in Toronto. It was the sixth family page 312. In the book road to hell Mom Boucher did consider that they would be tougher but his long term plan was to wage war with the Italian but he said for the moment he will deal with them through diplomacy. I believe he really thought he was indestructible. I forgot that the meeting--and in particular the comment by Rizzuto--was discussed in The Sixth Family. Looking in that book, I am starting to remember where else I think I saw mention of the interaction: a book about Dany Kaye.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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01/17/17 08:18 AM
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http://www.lapresse.ca/international/ame...s-quebecois.phpFive Killed in Mexico. One Canadian,an Italian and a Colombian among the victims. Bar owned by Quebecers. Paragraph translated from article: "According to our sources and some information from the Magot-Mastiff survey, which decapitated Montreal organized crime in November 2015, Grégory Sénécal, 39, is co-owner of the popular discotheque. Mr. Sénécal was reportedly seen in the company of gang leader Gregory Woolley, who is one of the main individuals arrested and charged in the wake of Magot-Mastiff. Mr. Woolley is still being held in custody and is accused, among other things, of gangsterism and conspiracy with former Hells Angels warrior Maurice Mom Boucher to assassinate Raynald Desjardins."
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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01/17/17 02:22 PM
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Interesting timing wouldn't you say?
Molotov this morning, recent arsons and murders...
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