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Re: Mafia Books
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Mobfather by George Anastasia, about Tommy Del's wife and kids. Even after reading plenty about the Scarfo era, this one still provided some interesting information I hadn't heard before. It was also good to hear from the perspective of a wiseguy's family. Plus it takes a stance against the deals the government cuts with these guys. Also have been reading Joe Valachi's The Real Thing. So many interesting little bits of information. http://mafiahistory.us/a023/therealthing.htm
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Re: Mafia Books
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Mobfather by George Anastasia, about Tommy Del's wife and kids. Even after reading plenty about the Scarfo era, this one still provided some interesting information I hadn't heard before. It was also good to hear from the perspective of a wiseguy's family. Plus it takes a stance against the deals the government cuts with these guys.Also have been reading Joe Valachi's The Real Thing. So many interesting little bits of information. http://mafiahistory.us/a023/therealthing.htm A necessary evil, is it not? It all depends on the frequency of recidivism I guess but it makes sense to me. You can't bring down the hierarchies of criminal organization without informants. It's intrinsic and integral.
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Re: Mafia Books
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01/31/17 06:08 PM
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Mobfather by George Anastasia, about Tommy Del's wife and kids. Even after reading plenty about the Scarfo era, this one still provided some interesting information I hadn't heard before. It was also good to hear from the perspective of a wiseguy's family. Plus it takes a stance against the deals the government cuts with these guys.Also have been reading Joe Valachi's The Real Thing. So many interesting little bits of information. http://mafiahistory.us/a023/therealthing.htm A necessary evil, is it not? It all depends on the frequency of recidivism I guess but it makes sense to me. You can't bring down the hierarchies of criminal organization without informants. It's intrinsic and integral. I totally agree. Informants are an important way of bringing down organized crime groups and they need incentives to cooperate. But letting them get away with multiple murders? I could understand if they got to serve a long prison sentence in protective custody, but let them get away with it?
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Re: Mafia Books
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Mobfather by George Anastasia, about Tommy Del's wife and kids. Even after reading plenty about the Scarfo era, this one still provided some interesting information I hadn't heard before. It was also good to hear from the perspective of a wiseguy's family. Plus it takes a stance against the deals the government cuts with these guys. Also have been reading Joe Valachi's The Real Thing. So many interesting little bits of information. http://mafiahistory.us/a023/therealthing.htm Valachi's The Real Thing is quite an amazing read if you can get past the spelling eras and missing pages. This was Valachis initial, self-written autobiography of sorts, prior to the Justice Department fucking him over and throwing away his book deal over some bs. The Valachi Papers are Peter Maas revisioning of Valachi's self-written papers, a lot of stuff Maas chose to leave out, things that he felt weren't very exciting and some things he left out to assure his version will continue to meet the approved upon demands. "spelling ERRORS"..lol
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Re: Mafia Books
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If anyone's interested I found this podcast, about Joe Colombo. It's a 2 parter. A book by his son( I think) Anthony. Anyone read it? I can't tell if this is an old or new podcast I'm listening to Joseph Colombo ////// 72 - 11/01/2017 on True Crime Garage with TuneIn. #NowPlaying http://tun.in/thJD6S
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Re: Mafia Books
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As far as "I Heard You Paint Houses" goes, I want to see the Scorsese movie before I read the book. You might be waiting a while! I heard De Niro and Scorsese were making a new movie based on the book "I Heard You Paint Houses" back in 2010 so went and got it. Movie still hasn't come out! Good book. I don't believe some of his tales but Sheeran was still involved with some major guys so it was interesting to hear what he has to say.
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Re: Mafia Books
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This is also very disturbing behavior by Blutrich and the FBI as reported by Capeci: FBI DEMOTES SHREDDER WILLIAM K. RASHBAUM JERRY CAPECI NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Sunday, August 8, 1999, 12:00 AM A top Mafia investigator for the FBI has been demoted to street agent for shredding notes he took during numerous interviews of a controversial FBI informer in the John A. (Junior) Gotti case, the Daily News has learned. Law enforcement sources said FBI agent John (Jack) Karst destroyed handwritten notes of statements he took from Michael Blutrich, a lawyer who owned the topless bar Scores in secret partnership with the mob. Karst, the subject of an internal probe, had been a supervisor for about three months. "It's a serious matter in the FBI, but there do not seem to be any adverse legal ramifications," said one federal law enforcement source. Sources say the FBI has located copies of some original notes that Karst destroyed but concede that the bureau will never know for sure whether Karst destroyed notes of which no copies were made. New York FBI boss Lewis Schiliro demoted Karst several weeks ago when Karst told a superior he had shredded notes he made during the undercover phase of the probe into the upper East Side strip joint, sources said. Law enforcement sources say Karst destroyed the notes to spare further embarrassment to himself and Blutrich, who allegedly downloaded child porn from the Internet while an undercover operative for Karst in 1996. During the Gotti investigation, federal prosecutors and state Organized Crime Task Force investigators feuded with the FBI over its use of Blutrich as an informer. Other sources, noting that the FBI would not have known about the notes if Karst hadn't mentioned them, contend that Karst's actions were stupid but not venal. "It's difficult to believe he would do something on purpose to subvert justice," one source said. Karst and FBI spokesman Jim Margolin declined to comment. http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/fbi-demotes-shredder-article-1.853076
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Re: Mafia Books
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“Kennedy Babylon Vol. 1,” a new book by Herald columnist and WRKO talk show host Howie Carr, explores the dark side of the Kennedy legacy, warts and all ... and then some. In today’s installment, we find old Joe Kennedy, the clan’s patriarch, worrying about two of the men who played key roles in his son John F. Kennedy’s 1960 election victory.
Joe Kennedy didn’t believe in making enemies needlessly — especially if they were cops or gangsters. There was just no upside to it, or at least not enough to justify the risks.
There were two ruthless, powerful men who likewise assumed that they did have something coming to them from the Kennedys. They expected to be taken care of, or at least treated with kid gloves, by the new administration.
One was a cop, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover. The other was a gangster from Chicago, Sam “Momo” Giancana. Even if his sons didn’t, Joe Kennedy understood what the Kennedys owed Hoover and Giancana.
Hoover had two sets of audiotapes of JFK engaging in scandalous extramarital sex — one from 1941, with suspected Nazi spy Inga Arvad in Room 132 of the Fort Sumter Hotel in Charleston, S.C., and the other with his 23-year-old Jackie-lookalike Senate aide, Pamela Turnure, in 1958.
Hoover had a reprieve (when JFK reappointed him), but he understood his continuing vulnerability. The problem for Hoover wasn’t so much Jack as his brother, Bobby, who as attorney general would now be the Director’s boss, at least nominally.
“You have to get along with the old man,” JFK told Bobby. The larger problem between Hoover and RFK may have been the Director’s homosexuality. RFK had a lifelong aversion to gay men.
Mobsters would be picked up on bugs or wiretaps discussing Hoover. In Philadelphia, one gangster accurately told boss Angelo Bruno why RFK was trying to get rid of the Director:
“He wants Edgar Hoover out of the FBI because he is a (expletive). I heard this before ... ”
Whatever his reasons, Hoover had next to no interest in going after organized crime until the Apalachin Mafia conference in 1957. That was a gathering of dozens of Mafia leaders from around the country in upstate New York.
(But) Bobby had always detested the Mafia. In the 1950s, when he had told Joe about his plans as a Senate investigator to take on both corrupt unions and the Mob, his father was apoplectic. He knew JFK would need union support when he ran for president in 1960. Joe also understood that any investigations of corrupt union leaders would inevitably lead back to the Mob.
Bobby didn’t care. First, he subpoenaed gangsters to testify in Washington, then he humiliated them at the hearings. RFK was particularly disdainful of the boss of the Chicago Outfit, Sam “Momo” Giancana.
RFK: Would you tell us anything about your operations or will you just giggle every time I ask you a question?
Giancana: I decline to answer.
RFK: I thought only little girls giggled, Mr. Giancana.
Still, in 1960, at the behest of his good friend Frank Sinatra, Giancana made his peace with the Kennedys. He delivered Chicago to the Democrats, and JFK carried Illinois.
Judith Campbell, the girlfriend of Giancana, Sinatra and JFK, later claimed the Mafia leader told her, “Listen, honey, if it wasn’t for me, your boyfriend wouldn’t even be in the White House.”
In return, Giancana expected a good leaving alone from the Kennedys. When JFK became president in 1961, both Hoover and Giancana were determined to get along with him.
Despite the Mob’s assistance ... as well as in the anti-Castro plots the Kennedys had inherited from the Eisenhower administration, RFK was still determined to bring the underworld to heel. He directed Hoover to turn the FBI loose on the Mafia.
By mid-1961, (Tampa Mafia boss Santo) Trafficante was complaining to whoever would listen about the “honesty” of the Kennedys.
But the angriest mobster of all may have been Giancana. He had done more for the Kennedys than anyone else in the underworld and now he was under close FBI surveillance wherever he went.
On July 12, 1961, he flew back to Chicago from Phoenix with his girlfriend, the singer Phyllis McGuire. Local FBI agents grabbed them at O’Hare Airport.
William J. Roemer Jr., a high-ranking Chicago G-man, separated them and then got Giancana in a room by himself. What happened next has been recounted many times.
According to Roemer in his first book, “Roemer: Man Against the Mob,” Giancana began screaming about Hoover and RFK and then said to the agent, “Bleep your super, super boss!”
Roemer, bemused, asked Giancana who his “super, super boss” was.
JFK, the enraged mobster replied. Roemer said he doubted the president cared about Momo Giancana.
“(Expletive) John Kennedy!” Giancana shouted. “Listen, Roemer, I know all about the Kennedys, and Phyllis knows more about the Kennedys and one of these days we’re going to tell all.”
According to Roemer, Giancana then said something else the FBI agents didn’t understand at the time.
“The (expletive) United States government is not as smart as it thinks it is, is it? You made a deal with Castro to overthrow Batista if he would kick us out of Cuba and now that deal has backfired on you, hasn’t it?”
Bobby and his aides repeated all the old jokes about Hoover and (FBI associate director and his alleged lover Clyde) Tolson. They called the Director “J. Edna,” and later, “Gay Edgar Hoover.”
One day it was brought up at a Justice meeting that Tolson was having minor surgery.
“For what,” Bobby asked, “a hysterectomy?”
On Dec. 11, 1961, Hoover sent Bobby a transcript of another bugged conversation between Giancana and (fellow Chicago mobster John) Roselli.
They were discussing what they had expected when Sinatra had brought them the offer of a hands-off administration if they came through for JFK in the 1960 campaign.
Roselli: Sinatra’s got it in his head that they (the Kennedys) are going to be faithful to him. (By which he meant organized crime.)
Giancana: In other words, the donation that was made ...
Roselli: That’s what I was talking about.
Giancana: In other words, if I ever get a speeding ticket, none of these (expletives) would know me?
Roselli: You told that right, buddy.
But the Kennedys had reneged on their pledge. Hoover must have been ecstatic when he read the transcript. The smoking-gun word was “donation.” The Mafia had “donated” to JFK’s campaign.
With the transcript, Hoover included for Bobby his own taunting description of what he now had Giancana saying on tape:
“He made a donation to the campaign of President Kennedy but was not getting his money’s worth.”
It will never be known what the Kennedy brothers did next, but a week later, on Dec. 18, their father suffered a massive stroke while playing golf in Palm Beach.
Joe survived, but he was totally incapacitated. He would never speak again.
Within three months, Sinatra himself would be totally cast out of Camelot, after Hoover told JFK what he knew about his girlfriend Judith Campbell and her ties to Sinatra and Giancana.
Giancana’s associates were as livid about the Kennedys’ double-cross as their boss. Johnny Formosa was one of the Outfit’s front men in Las Vegas. He knew what should be done to Sinatra.
“Let’s hit him!” he told Giancana.
Then, Formosa continued, he would personally exterminate the Rat Pack.
“Let’s show ’em. Let’s show those (expletive) Hollywood (expletives) they can’t get away with it as if nothing happened ... I could whack out a couple of those guys, (actor and Kennedy brother-in-law Peter) Lawford, that (Dean) Martin (expletive), and I could take (Sammy Davis Jr.) and put his other eye out.”
The overlords of organized crime were coming to a consensus. Yes, Bobby was a problem, but ultimately the source of his power was the president of the United States.
Within a month, the rumblings of retaliation by the underworld against both brothers were becoming even more ominous.
In September 1962, (New Orleans mob boss) Carlos Marcello was drinking with two of his underworld associates.
One of the hoodlums commiserated with the Mafia boss about the problems Bobby was giving him.
“Don’t worry about that little Bobby (expletive). He’s going to be taken care of.”
None of his men would be directly involved, Marcello continued. The job would be done by “a nut.” But, he added, it wasn’t Bobby who was going to be hit. It would be his brother, the president of the United States.
Coming tomorrow, Marilyn Monroe and her not-so clandestine romantic relationships with JFK and RFK.
Order Howie’s new book, “Kennedy Babylon,” at his website, howiecarrshow.com.
Colin Sullivan: "What Freud said about the Irish is: We're the only people who are impervious to psychoanalysis."
Cincotti said: "They don't have the scruples that we have." Zannino agreed. "You know how I knew they weren't Italiano? When they bombed the fucking house. We don't do that."
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Re: Mafia Books
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Just giving my opinion of them..I would say Bolzoni took a lot of words from Dickie and others.One mans good read is another's pile of shit.
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Re: Mafia Books
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I can't recommend Brotherhoods enough. Probably the best mob book I have ever read. Vouch that! excellent, detailed book.
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Re: Mafia Books
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Mobfather by George Anastasia, about Tommy Del's wife and kids. Even after reading plenty about the Scarfo era, this one still provided some interesting information I hadn't heard before. It was also good to hear from the perspective of a wiseguy's family. Plus it takes a stance against the deals the government cuts with these guys. Also have been reading Joe Valachi's The Real Thing. So many interesting little bits of information. http://mafiahistory.us/a023/therealthing.htm I read the book by Tommy Del's kids and wife and was pleasantly surprised how good it was. It was a little before it's time giving the family's perspective before all the dumb shows came out. The kid was a bit of a screw up himself, I think he shot or killed a guy in Baltimore, and his friend got most of the time. I wonder how the kids turned out.
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Re: Mafia Books
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I can't recommend Brotherhoods enough. Probably the best mob book I have ever read. Vouch that! excellent, detailed book. Yep, an awesome book, very detailed. It filled in these little bits of information that weren't know to the public. It's a must read for anyone interested in the life.
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Re: Mafia Books
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So wanna give my 2cents about abook by larry mazza fake colombo soldier who lies about it n his book like were all dummys. He should have just kept it real. But i book the book for 10 bicks on amazon fire kindle whatever. I hope bronxs reads this his input would be fun. Were to start. Ok so he meets linda scarpas side chick who has 2 his kids in 1980. Basically linda way younger then greg an greg got alot of side chicks. She starts fucking the paper boy slash grocery kid. Hes a jerk for talking about this in his book about linda sucking his dick all types of weird soft plrn shit. No respect. Bronx there no way in hell anyone but greg n linda new she was banging the paper boy no way. That wimpy boys social club crww was a sick bunch of killers noway. And greg used the kid for all types of shit. Gregs sirial killer son greg jr goes to jail 88 . So all them years larry says hes banging linda i dont believe it happend after a year or 2. Just a weird book. You cant belive any of the rats book coming out today i swore i wouldnt buy one unless they were a made guy. Larry says somebullshit they meet n a dinner but didnt do the guns blood n saint thing but there made. And a offical ceromy will happen later. Nope lies. Then 400 pages of just fluffing your ego. Dude ya kids can read this book linda grandkids or kids just weird. I was close to buying the Kindle edition this past weekend, some of the ratings scared me off, now seeing your take I'm glad I past on it.
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