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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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That's because the AB is the smallest of the big 4 and there's not a plethora of white bangers just loosely affiliated white supremacist/ nationalist groups.
La Eme doesn't control all of the Surenos. I'll have to start a thread up about that then , since I thought La Eme was the lord of all Sureno gangs . By the way does the Big Four in this context mean the four largest prison gangs ?
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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In California all sureno gangs fall under La Eme control. Once you get out of California then it probably changes depending on the area.
Although, not all gangs under the SUR banner have direct ties to the Eme. But will fall in line once they hit the jail and prison system.
So when I say control, I don't necessarily mean they micromanage each gangs everyday activities.
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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Sorry for bumping an old topic, but there is one gangster I forgot to mention before: Charlie Wall from Tampa, killed allegedly on Santo Trafficante's orders in 1955 and himself one of the suspect of ordering the 1940 hit on Ignazio Antinori. http://mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlie_WallWas he Anglo-Saxon? The name sounds like that, but then some Irish have names similar to English sometimes. Sometimes some ethnic surnames are not what they seem. For example, I was told that Costello was an Irish surname, not Italian, so Francesco Castiglia, when changing to Frank Costello was pretending to be Irish initially  I thought is was a joke or a mistake, but then I checked, there actually were some characters in the crime chronicles in Ireland, named Costello (somebody from the IRA or another paramilitary group, I am not sure). So was Charlie Wall an Anglo-Saxon mobster or another ethnicity?
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2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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Sorry for bumping an old topic, but there is one gangster I forgot to mention before: Charlie Wall from Tampa, killed allegedly on Santo Trafficante's orders in 1955 and himself one of the suspect of ordering the 1940 hit on Ignazio Antinori. http://mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlie_WallWas he Anglo-Saxon? The name sounds like that, but then some Irish have names similar to English sometimes. Sometimes some ethnic surnames are not what they seem. For example, I was told that Costello was an Irish surname, not Italian, so Francesco Castiglia, when changing to Frank Costello was pretending to be Irish initially I thought is was a joke or a mistake, but then I checked, there actually were some characters in the crime chronicles in Ireland, named Costello (somebody from the IRA or another paramilitary group, I am not sure). So was Charlie Wall an Anglo-Saxon mobster or another ethnicity? Charlie's full name was Charles McKay Wall. Sound scottish.
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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Charlie's full name was Charles McKay Wall. Sound scottish.
Anglo-Saxon refers to English people of German descent.... so not Irish. Yes, I know that Anglo-Saxon is different from Irish, so I was asking whether Charlie Wall was Anglo-Saxon OR Irish. But, since he was McKay (Scottish, I hadn't noticed the the 1st surname when reading, thanks for pointing out), he is an exception among American mobsters anyway, at least this is the first Scottish mobster I hear about having been active in the USA.
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Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Have Anglo mob groups died out in the US ?
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Sorry for bumping an old topic, but there is one gangster I forgot to mention before: Charlie Wall from Tampa, killed allegedly on Santo Trafficante's orders in 1955 and himself one of the suspect of ordering the 1940 hit on Ignazio Antinori. http://mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Charlie_WallWas he Anglo-Saxon? The name sounds like that, but then some Irish have names similar to English sometimes. Sometimes some ethnic surnames are not what they seem. For example, I was told that Costello was an Irish surname, not Italian, so Francesco Castiglia, when changing to Frank Costello was pretending to be Irish initially I thought is was a joke or a mistake, but then I checked, there actually were some characters in the crime chronicles in Ireland, named Costello (somebody from the IRA or another paramilitary group, I am not sure). So was Charlie Wall an Anglo-Saxon mobster or another ethnicity? There's a lot of people in Ireland with English surnames, this is a holdover from the Plantations. Ironically you'd often hear of IRA members with planters surnames. The name Costello seems to have developed in both Ireland and Italy, independently of each other. There's no connection between the two. It's quite a common last name in Ireland. Mac Oisdealbhaigh is the gaelic version of it. Don't ask how to pronounce that lol.
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