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Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! #911720
05/02/17 08:08 PM
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My son just informed me that his friends are texting that Angelo Musitano was just shot. Just confirmed news by Hamilton Spectator newspaper. Large police investigation about a shooting currently underway in Waterdown (a Hamilton suburb). Angelo and his brother Pat were part of the Rizzuto scheme to move into Ontario and they were responsible for the hit on capo Johnny (Pops) Papalia. Also had the Violi brothers on their hit list too. Around here, everyone thought this retribution was long overdue.

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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Johnny_Pops] #911722
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It appears to be fatal.


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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Johnny_Pops] #911736
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He played with fire and anyone could see this would come one day. His brother should be very worried.

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Hamilton mobster Angelo Musitano shot dead in front of home

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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Johnny_Pops] #911742
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These guys are out of their minds. I cannot believe these guys keeping getting hit. They are not playing any games. What the fuck is law enforcement doing ? What a joke they are in canada. We'll too busy talking about the same shit with the skinny guy, meanwhile it's like the 70's up there. Real fucking gangsters doing real shit and not thinking twice about it.

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Johnny_Pops] #911744
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The way they got rid of johnny pops when siding with the rizzutos maybe a long awaited pay back..Fat pat must be shifting himself.


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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: pilliano] #911748
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This month marks the 20th anniversary of Papalia’s murder.


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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Johnny_Pops] #911749
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http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada...s-hamilton-home

A mobster born into an entrenched Mafia clan shot dead outside his Hamilton home

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Link to news release on the Hamilton Police Service website:

https://hamiltonpolice.on.ca/community/n...icide-waterdown

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There were probably quite a few people that probably wanted the Musitano's out of the way.

-The Papalia's or members of the clan, may have wanted to revenge.
-The Luppino's would benefit;also if Ken Murdock is to be believed there was a plot by the Musitano's to have the Luppino's killed. Musitano's were emboldened by their close ties to Rizzuto's.
-The Violi's for that same reason, their close ties to the Rizzuto.

Can anybody else come up with other possible theories?

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Ciment] #911756
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Originally Posted By: Ciment
There were probably quite a few people that probably wanted the Musitano's out of the way.

-The Papalia's or members of the clan, may have wanted to revenge.
-The Luppino's would benefit;also if Ken Murdock is to be believed there was a plot by the Musitano's to have the Luppino's killed. Musitano's were emboldened by their close ties to Rizzuto's.
-The Violi's for that same reason, their close ties to the Rizzuto.

Can anybody else come up with other possible theories?


This alleged book (memoir) that Angelo wrote.

Those three Italian crime groups in Hamilton have had a lot of interaction over many decades, including violence; the relationships have been very complicated--especially because members of the groups have worked or associated with one another even while hating one another. John Papalia was Pat Musitano's baptismal godfather, for example.

The Musitanos and the Luppinos even had respective low-level associates fight a proxy war in the 1980s: Tim and Tom Magnini were aligned with the Musitanos, and Luciano "Luch" Pietrorazio--a former leader of the Barton-Sherman gang in Hamilton--was an associate of Natale Luppino.

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #911758
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Originally Posted By: antimafia
Originally Posted By: Ciment
There were probably quite a few people that probably wanted the Musitano's out of the way.

-The Papalia's or members of the clan, may have wanted to revenge.
-The Luppino's would benefit;also if Ken Murdock is to be believed there was a plot by the Musitano's to have the Luppino's killed. Musitano's were emboldened by their close ties to Rizzuto's.
-The Violi's for that same reason, their close ties to the Rizzuto.

Can anybody else come up with other possible theories?


This alleged book (memoir) that Angelo wrote.

Those three Italian crime groups in Hamilton have had a lot of interaction over many decades, including violence; the relationships have been very complicated--especially because members of the groups have worked or associated with one another even while hating one another. John Papalia was Pat Musitano's baptismal godfather, for example.

The Musitanos and the Luppinos even had respective low-level associates fight a proxy war in the 1980s: Tim and Tom Magnini were aligned with the Musitanos, and Luciano "Luch" Pietrorazio--a former leader of the Barton-Sherman gang in Hamilton--was an associate of Natale Luppino.


Antonio Sergi had a grow up in Hamilton,wonder if the shootings in Vaughan/Woodbridge having something to do with this recent Hamilton killing. Will see how this all plays out.

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Ciment] #911760
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Ciment, you could very well be right.

Every theory should be examined, and right now, I've been hearing all sorts of theories secondhand--some of them are actually quite crazy, but none of them have to do with what is going on in the underworlds of Greater Toronto Area and Montreal.

Up until the last few years of the ongoing Montreal mob war, I didn't see too many people questioning how solid and cohesive each of the various Italian crime groups in Ontario were. It's too early to tell, but I do think an argument could be made that the Ontario mob is currently in disarray.

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Originally Posted By: BobbyPazzo
These guys are out of their minds. I cannot believe these guys keeping getting hit. They are not playing any games. What the fuck is law enforcement doing ? What a joke they are in canada. We'll too busy talking about the same shit with the skinny guy, meanwhile it's like the 70's up there. Real fucking gangsters doing real shit and not thinking twice about it.


Bobby, no RICO statutes in Canada makes all the difference in the world if you ask me. You can get away with so much more. And less informing too, can't send them to a nice weather state up there.

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #911768
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Peter Edwards (crime reporter and co-author of Business or Blood) was interviewed by a TV reporter about 15 minutes ago. Asked about possible theories as to why Musitano was murdered, Edwards first offered that a number of key players had been removed from illegal-gambling operations in Niagara Falls, Ontario, thus creating some opportunities but also tensions. Musitano was involved in illegal gambling.

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An officer with the Hamilton Police Service was at the scene of the crime a short time ago and provided updates to the media, which asked him questions.

The officer confirmed that the hit was targeted, not a drive-by shooting as reported by several media outlets--a suspect walked up to the vehicle in which Musitano was sitting. This suspect is believed to be about 230 lb. There were witnesses to the shooting (who apparently must have guessed at the suspect's weight.)

The police now have several CCTV downloads but do not plan to release a photo or video of the suspect at this time. One reporter asked whether the five or six cameras mounted on Musitano's house were an indication that Musitano feared for his safety. The officer said he wouldn't speculate; he also noted the other residences in the area that also similar mounted cameras. The officer would also not answer whether the CCTV downloads came from Musitano's cameras.

Another reporter asked whether Pat Musitano was approached by the police and whether Pat is under surveillance, or watch. The officer answered that the police did contact the family but that the family declined offers for assistance.

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #911774
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The officer was Det. Sgt. Peter Thom of the Homicide Unit.

Here's a link to a video of his updates to the media (from approximately 4:00 pm EST).

http://www.facebook.com/HamiltonPolice/videos/1676913949003557/

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #911777
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"Mob experts 'shocked' Angelo Musitano was gunned down in Waterdown"

http://cp24.to/cwV7K0Q

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http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/musitano-death-1.4097416

Angelo Musitano shot dead: Mobster was pursuing a new path, but couldn't escape past

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"Detective on Musitano murder: Police 'trying to unravel' motivation for mobster hit"

http://www.cbc.ca/1.4098242

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #911786
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Originally Posted By: antimafia
"Detective on Musitano murder: Police 'trying to unravel' motivation for mobster hit"

http://www.cbc.ca/1.4098242


If they can identify the shooter on camera, it would be interesting to know if they can connect the dots to see if another rival family is involved and as to who it might be.

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My guess payback from wayback. That guy paps family. How could he still be doing mafia shit when hes writting his life story for church. But the guys he killed family didnt forgive him.

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It also could've been because he was writing, or had written, a book. Canada's still really old school and would likely frown on that.


"It wasn't very good parsley to begin with, and then the cat went and peed on it." -Sicilian proverb
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Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: antimafia] #911801
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"CLAIRMONT: ‘He redeemed himself,’ lawyer says of slain Hamilton mobster"

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/728604...amilton-mobster

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"Slaying of Mafia family’s son came after he found God and turned life around, friends say"

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/slayin...und-friends-say

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This article says the roots of this conflict could lie in Calabria.

Ucciso in Canada 39enne appartenente a famiglia di ‘ndrangheta

http://www.radiocharlie.it/notizie/ucciso-canada-39enne-appartenente-famiglia-ndrangheta/


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From the article to which I've linked a bit farther below:

The shooter then ran back to his four-door, dark sedan and drove off, says Thom.

That sedan may have been in the neighbourhood in days leading up to the shooting.

"It's been seen here a couple of times on the street, we believe," says [Det. Sgt. Peter] Thom.


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"Mobster Angelo Musitano was shot at close range in calculated hit: Detective"

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/728598...-hit-detective/

Re: Angelo Musitano hit in Hamilton! [Re: Stubbs] #911815
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Originally Posted By: Stubbs
It also could've been because he was writing, or had written, a book. Canada's still really old school and would likely frown on that.


If this is true and it may be a possibility, it would leave open the fact that he may have been killed by members of his own family. They would have to apply the same rule as other members of the criminal organization. Leaving the organization is penalty by death. If they do not respect this rule then other members will use "born again Christian" as an excuse to leave the organization.

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