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Re: Moe Greene meeting question
[Re: Kangaroo Don]
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07/05/20 01:38 AM
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I thought Vito kept tabs on everyone and everything [uh-oh before slipping
From the novel: "They [Tom and MIchael] looked at each other. This was perhaps the real reason the Don was displeased with Freddie. The Don was straightlaced about sex. He would consider such cavorting by his son Freddie, two girls at a time, as degeneracy." Michael was blindsided that business was suffering! because of Fredo's philandering not because of Greene's skimming off the top Fredo's banging cocktail waitresses two at a time actually saved Moe money--he complained that "the players couldn't get a [free] drink at the tables." Moe was based on Bugsy Siegel. Bugsy was a poor businessman who spent nearly six times more than the original estimate to build the Flamingo Hotel in Vegas. He opened it before the guest rooms were finished. The high rollers came early on opening night and cleaned out his casino, then left for the sleeping rooms at the other hotels in town. The Flamingo's losses were what caused Bugsy Siegel to be assassinated--"someone put a bullet through his eye."
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Moe Greene meeting question
[Re: Turnbull]
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07/06/20 12:00 AM
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Thanks Turnbull as always I appreciate your extra tidbits What was Moe Greene's gripe? If “Fredo's banging cocktail waitresses two at a time actually saved Moe money†then what was Greene's complaint? Why did Greene use "the players couldn't get a [free] drink at the tables." as an excuse to slap Fredo around in public? Greene: I gotta business to run. I gotta kick asses sometimes to make it run right My [mis?] understanding, Greene made out the casino was losing money because of Fredo's philandering not because of Greene's skimming off the top Wikipedia – Bugsy SiegelExtracts: The day after Siegel's murder [David Berman and his Las Vegas mob associates, Sedway and Gus Greenbaum] Michael Corleone! walked into the Flamingo and took over operation of the hotel and casino
Siegel [has] a memorial plaque in the Bialystoker Synagogue and a memorial outside the wedding chapel at the Flamingo No wonder Roth was livid that there isn't even a plaque or a signpost or a statue [memorial] of Moe Greene in that town! in Las Vegas, the city Greene invented “Vito was “straightlaced about sex†and “would consider such cavorting by his son Freddie, two girls at a time, as degeneracy." Vito also knew Sonny had goumars Vito was “displeased†but did nothing, yet Vito is the family man! Go Figure!!
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Re: Moe Greene meeting question
[Re: Kangaroo Don]
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07/11/20 08:25 PM
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“Vito was “straightlaced about sex†and “would consider such cavorting by his son Freddie, two girls at a time, as degeneracy." Vito also knew Sonny had goumars Vito was “displeased†but did nothing, yet Vito is the family man! Go Figure!! I think it is fleshed out in the book that he was dismissive of Fredo something like why? Mama can do the cooking when Tom asked should they bring the only son home after Sonny's death and Michael in hiding
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Re: Moe Greene meeting question
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07/12/20 10:19 PM
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“Vito was “straightlaced about sex†and “would consider such cavorting by his son Freddie, two girls at a time, as degeneracy." Vito also knew Sonny had goumars Vito was “displeased†but did nothing, yet Vito is the family man! Go Figure!! I think it is fleshed out in the book that he was dismissive of Fredo something like why? Mama can do the cooking when Tom asked should they bring the only son home after Sonny's death and Michael in hiding I think Vito was an "ethical relativist." Though he was "straightlaced," he recognized that it was in men's nature to philander. That was ok, as long as they remained "good family men." The revealing passage in the novel comes at Connie's wedding, when Vito counsels Johnny Fontaine: Johnny says he can't marry his first wife again: "Beautiful broads run after me and I never could resist them." Vito, exasperated, replies, "I didn't tell you to get married again. Do what you want. Who says you can't see [your children] every day? Who says you can't live in the same house? Who says you can't live your live exactly as you want to live it?" [emphasis added.] I think Fredo banging cocktail waitresses two at a time crossed Vito's "ethical relativist" boundary. His remark about "Mama can cook our meals" meant that he thought Fredo was unmanly--not only because of sexual excess, but probably because he let Moe slap him around and because he was apprenticing as a hotel manager instead of being involved with the family business--possibly even for failing to prevent Vito from being shot and having a nervous breakdown afterward. .
Ntra la porta tua lu sangu � sparsu, E nun me mporta si ce muoru accisu... E s'iddu muoru e vaju mparadisu Si nun ce truovo a ttia, mancu ce trasu.
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Re: Moe Greene meeting question
[Re: Turnbull]
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04/08/22 11:02 PM
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The above was discussed further in Vito and FredoPoor FredoGreene angrily jerked his arm away from Fredo just before Fredo's “Wait a minute, Moe -- Moe, I got an idea” Then Fredo taking sides against the family Tom -- Tom, you're the Consiglieri and you can talk to the Don -- you can explain...[explain what?!] Tom quickly shutting Fredo down Just a minute now -- the Don is semi-retired and Mike is in charge of the Family business now. If you have anything to say, say it to Michael Greene storms out
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