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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/19/17 09:32 AM
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/20/17 02:13 PM
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Thanks Anti! That link about Del Balso showed me the first date I believe I've ever seen on Frank Arcadi being let back out. After Giordano was killed Del Balso and Arcadi went back behind bars and nothing else we heard until now unless I've missed a French article?
So Arcadi has been on the streets for 3 months now. Interesting. We knew that Arcadi was released on May 4.Below is my post from May 13. What I find interesting about Del Balso is that in previous opportunities when he appeared before the parole board to argue for his release, he indicated his life would not be in danger. But yesterday he told the parole board that he knows someone wants to kill him. Did he mean he knows who wants to kill him? Or did he mean he became aware someone wants to kill him because of the home invasion that happened two days after Arcadi was released? Well shit, I must have missed it. Generally I don't read the French articles because it's so hard to translate and then you're not sure if it's still right or not but I should have noticed your heading as I generally click on this thread no matter who posts. Thanks for pointing that out. It's interesting we haven't heard more from him, I'd imagine since he was sent back and got back out that he has no kind of restrictions? I'm wondering the same on Del Balso. Surely he would be out for blood after his family got slapped around like that, why would he even say he knew of a threat unless they asked him does he think his family is in danger if he's released and he said yes?
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/21/17 11:19 AM
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Maybe the latest murder and the release of Arcadi are connected. Frank started as a Cotroni guy did he turn his back on the Sicilians? Given how little is known about Antonio De Blasio, how do you know if he was on a side? if he was neutral? You posted this translation a couple of days ago: De Blasio had influential members of the mafia and street gangs among his relationships, according to our sources. It would have served as a link between street gangs and mafia clan leaders for the execution of several murders committed in recent years and whose victims did not always belong to the same groups. The home invasion at Francesco Del Balso's residence (May 6) happened two days after Arcadi was released. Is there any significance? And if there is, does this mean Arcadi and Del Balso are on the same side or opposite sides? Arcadi was the acting leader of the Montreal Mafia after Vito Rizzuto was arrested in January 2004. Arcadi, Rizzuto, Nick Rizzuto Sr., Paolo Renda, and Rocco Sollecito seemed to have divided the tribute they received after Vito was arrested, and an argument could be made that the arrangement was the same before Vito went away. In my opinion, Arcadi might have ranked higher than Sollecito, even though all five were receiving an equal share of the tribute. Is an out-of-prison Arcadi valuable to an imprisoned Stefano Sollecito and Leonardo Rizzuto because they are all on the same side and because Arcadi can run things? Do Stefano and Leonardo acknowledge Arcadi's previous greater authority and his previous experience running the organization? Or are the first two worried about Arcadi's leadership style and consider him a liability? Should anyone on any side of this war be worried about having Arcadi as the leader of their faction?
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/21/17 01:10 PM
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Arcadi was the acting leader of the Montreal Mafia after Vito Rizzuto was arrested in January 2004. Arcadi, Rizzuto, Nick Rizzuto Sr., Paolo Renda, and Rocco Sollecito seemed to have divided the tribute they received after Vito was arrested, and an argument could be made that the arrangement was the same before Vito went away. In my opinion, Arcadi might have ranked higher than Sollecito, even though all five were receiving an equal share of the tribute.
Do you mean Arcadi over-ranked Nick Rizzuto during that period? Strange though, are you sure it was possible? That Nick left Vito be in charge is already weird imo, but maybe he wanted to get a rest due to age....But, with Vito being taken off the streets, would Nick allow somebody who wasn't even a relative, to out-rank him?
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/21/17 04:09 PM
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Arcadi was the acting leader of the Montreal Mafia after Vito Rizzuto was arrested in January 2004. Arcadi, Rizzuto, Nick Rizzuto Sr., Paolo Renda, and Rocco Sollecito seemed to have divided the tribute they received after Vito was arrested, and an argument could be made that the arrangement was the same before Vito went away. In my opinion, Arcadi might have ranked higher than Sollecito, even though all five were receiving an equal share of the tribute.
Do you mean Arcadi over-ranked Nick Rizzuto during that period? Strange though, are you sure it was possible? That Nick left Vito be in charge is already weird imo, but maybe he wanted to get a rest due to age....But, with Vito being taken off the streets, would Nick allow somebody who wasn't even a relative, to out-rank him? If you are to believe the conventional wisdom of journalists and book authors, they did state that Arcadi was acting boss and that position would put him at a higher level. But we have to put all this in proper perspective. Two of the five Rizzuto family were prominent active members watching over the business. You had Nick SR. regularly showing up at the Consenza bar stuffing his socks full of money. Renda handled the finance part. Arcadi might of had the title but his power may have been more restrictive than that of his predecessor. The Rizzuto family still got 3/5 of all the revenue not including what share of the pie Vito son's received as well.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/21/17 05:08 PM
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Arcadi was the acting leader of the Montreal Mafia after Vito Rizzuto was arrested in January 2004. Arcadi, Rizzuto, Nick Rizzuto Sr., Paolo Renda, and Rocco Sollecito seemed to have divided the tribute they received after Vito was arrested, and an argument could be made that the arrangement was the same before Vito went away. In my opinion, Arcadi might have ranked higher than Sollecito, even though all five were receiving an equal share of the tribute.
Do you mean Arcadi over-ranked Nick Rizzuto during that period? Strange though, are you sure it was possible? That Nick left Vito be in charge is already weird imo, but maybe he wanted to get a rest due to age....But, with Vito being taken off the streets, would Nick allow somebody who wasn't even a relative, to out-rank him? If you are to believe the conventional wisdom of journalists and book authors, they did state that Arcadi was acting boss and that position would put him at a higher level. But we have to put all this in proper perspective. Two of the five Rizzuto family were prominent active members watching over the business. You had Nick SR. regularly showing up at the Consenza bar stuffing his socks full of money. Renda handled the finance part. Arcadi might of had the title but his power may have been more restrictive than that of his predecessor. The Rizzuto family still got 3/5 of all the revenue not including what share of the pie Vito son's received as well. I understand your arguments about Arcadi's rank and that of the other three leaders after Vito was arrested in January 2004. Do I think there was a position of "acting leader"? Yes, but only after Vito Rizzuto's extradition in August 2006 did I take a stab at guessing who the three candidates for this position were: Arcadi, Jos Di Maulo, and Moreno Gallo. I think there was an article published around that time that stated Di Maulo declined the position, which means the reporter didn't think Arcadi was acting leader after Vito's arrest in January 2004. French-language newspaper reporters Félix Séguin and Éric Thibault, who work for the same company, have always maintained in their articles that Arcadi was acting leader after January 2004. Daniel Renaud of La Presse, on the other hand, does not share this opinion, while Paul Cherry ( Montreal Gazette) does. My opinion about Arcadi's ranking higher than Sollecito between Vito's arrest and the Project Colisée roundup (November 2006) is based on Arcadi's being the only one who seemed to step up to the plate. I don't know whether it's true that, over the years, Sollecito, Di Maulo, Gallo, and Nick Rizzuto Sr. didn't want to be at the helm when asked by others. And of course there was that whole back story about Agostino Cun trera's being reluctant to take on that position but accepting the role anyway, despite the fact he seemed highly anxious and prone to depression. On the other hand, when I re-read earlier today the September 2012 testimony of RCMP Cpl. Vinicio Sebastiano, who testified at the Charbonneau Commission inquiry, I noticed that he viewed Arcadi, Sollecito, Renda, and Nick Rizzuto Sr. as underbosses ( Une distinction en sorte qu’eux étaient des têtes dirigeantes, mais plutôt comme on appellerait des « under boss »).
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/21/17 09:21 PM
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Still, Nick "reporting" to somebody, since the day he grabbed the power having Violi whacked.....The fact he didn't live to die a natural death already implies he wasn't one willing to step aside, otherwise there would have been no need to kill him. Even when Vito became boss, I never got it completely, the mafia is a patriarchal organization. If he wanted to retire for real and give the "throne" to Vito, ok that happens, but then why he got back in the life after Vito went away? But at the same time accepted a SECONDARY position, if you say he reported either to his own son or to Arcadi later? I would have honestly expected for Nick to continue to cling to the boss position until he was killed, although he must have gone senile in his last life period, since he didn't take any security measures even when it was clear he had become a target. He still continued to live in a house with big windows for everyone to watch and to shoot at him. No fortified mansion, no underground bunker or some unknown hideout, no armored cars and doubled number of bodyguards, nothing!
Well, I can understand if he thought nobody would dare to touch him who has been untouchable for decades, but then Di Maulo, who wasn't old enough to be senile, later acted in the same way: when Vito returned for revenge, instead of going on the run or doubling the defenses, and trying to kill Vito first, he just went around unprotected, as if resigned to his fate, while he had as good a chance to kill Vito as Vito had to kill him.
Really, the reasoning of some of those guys is a mystery to me.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/22/17 09:35 AM
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Still, Nick "reporting" to somebody, since the day he grabbed the power having Violi whacked.....The fact he didn't live to die a natural death already implies he wasn't one willing to step aside, otherwise there would have been no need to kill him. Even when Vito became boss, I never got it completely, the mafia is a patriarchal organization. If he wanted to retire for real and give the "throne" to Vito, ok that happens, but then why he got back in the life after Vito went away? But at the same time accepted a SECONDARY position, if you say he reported either to his own son or to Arcadi later? I would have honestly expected for Nick to continue to cling to the boss position until he was killed, although he must have gone senile in his last life period, since he didn't take any security measures even when it was clear he had become a target. He still continued to live in a house with big windows for everyone to watch and to shoot at him. No fortified mansion, no underground bunker or some unknown hideout, no armored cars and doubled number of bodyguards, nothing!
Well, I can understand if he thought nobody would dare to touch him who has been untouchable for decades, but then Di Maulo, who wasn't old enough to be senile, later acted in the same way: when Vito returned for revenge, instead of going on the run or doubling the defenses, and trying to kill Vito first, he just went around unprotected, as if resigned to his fate, while he had as good a chance to kill Vito as Vito had to kill him.
Really, the reasoning of some of those guys is a mystery to me. He did take some security measures when he was advised by an Italian speaking police officer that his life was endanger. He installed security camera's at his home and stopped going to Ed's Cafe and Tony sports bar where he used to play cards and have his coffee by the window. He confined himself to his home. He made the same mistake Rocco Violi did. The fate he gave to Rocco came back to haunt him at the end.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/22/17 04:46 PM
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I don't think Arcadi outranked Nick Jr. or Rocco Sollecito. Vito/Sollecito were supposedly best friends, grew up together, family from the same town, the whole 9 yards. Rocco was as close as family can be even IF they were not kin. Yes maybe by the rules of the rank he outranked Sollecito but I don't think Sollecito wanted the top spot either and that's why Arcadi went up instead. One thing we can agree on, this was a weird ass set up no matter what! But it does seem that Vito or Nick gave them all an option to take over when Vito went away, but maybe they all said no out of respect for Nick and when Arcadi said yes he took the role of "acting boss"? Hell who knows! As for Nick Sr. I don't think he was ever "out". He was one of those like Peter Limone from the Patriarca's when he got filthy rich when he got out of prison but still wanted to be a gangster. I think Nick gave Vito advice when asked and I do think Vito gave his Father tribute. Whether it was his cut or not, who knows. But I do think his Father kept his hands dirty the whole time. I do think he slowed down of course before Vito went away, but after that things changed. Great catch on Del Balso's house invasion being 2 days after Arcadi got out. That is very important, remember they tried to get his family to contact Del Balso and get him there. If they were willing to bust in blind like that, then they were possibly wanting to keep him alive to maybe get Arcadi as well. I don't think that timing means Arcadi went after Del Balso because I've always been under the impression Arcadi/Del Balso/Giordano were all close and had plans when they got out to take over after all that has happened. It's confusing to say the least.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/23/17 08:53 PM
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He did take some security measures when he was advised by an Italian speaking police officer that his life was endanger. He installed security camera's at his home and stopped going to Ed's Cafe and Tony sports bar where he used to play cards and have his coffee by the window. He confined himself to his home. He made the same mistake Rocco Violi did. The fate he gave to Rocco came back to haunt him at the end.
I understand....But still, living in a house with windows that big (if I remember well the descriptions) was like "Hey you, here I am, shoot at me!" At least he could get them covered with walls with only small windows left. With what he had there, the shooter probably didn't even need to be a skilled sniper to hit him. And imo, he should have ordered a preventive hit on Montagna at least (and on Desjardins and Di Maulo too, if he knew they were in it too). By the way, is it known who the triggerman was in that case, who killed Nick Sr?
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/23/17 09:32 PM
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He did take some security measures when he was advised by an Italian speaking police officer that his life was endanger. He installed security camera's at his home and stopped going to Ed's Cafe and Tony sports bar where he used to play cards and have his coffee by the window. He confined himself to his home. He made the same mistake Rocco Violi did. The fate he gave to Rocco came back to haunt him at the end.
I understand....But still, living in a house with windows that big (if I remember well the descriptions) was like "Hey you, here I am, shoot at me!" At least he could get them covered with walls with only small windows left. With what he had there, the shooter probably didn't even need to be a skilled sniper to hit him. And imo, he should have ordered a preventive hit on Montagna at least (and on Desjardins and Di Maulo too, if he knew they were in it too). By the way, is it known who the triggerman was in that case, who killed Nick Sr? I agree with you he could of taken more precautions. Some of these mobsters become complacent over time. No one was charged for the murder as far as I know. He had many enemies so it would be hard to pin point what clan it was. If you recall some of the clans against the Rizzuto's were many.
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