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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/15/17 02:24 PM
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Want to be a criminal and get away with it? Become a lawyer.... That would make things a hell of a lot easier, but lawyers sometimes get life sentences for organized crime related crimes too, even successful ones. Random examples: Paul Bergrin in the USA and Raffaele Bevilacqua in Sicily (he was a Commission member for the Enna province if I remember well). But it's difficult to send away a lawyer, that's true. Better than that, only immunity that national-level politicians have.
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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/15/17 04:49 PM
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U dumb facks! We ain't talking "love" love
What I mean is people on here as one of u said "are fascinated" with him. What's there to be fascinated about- he was just a lunatic/ stupid boss yet when I say love what I mean is he doesn't get shit on like Gotti does. Put simply he is much more well liked on these boards but they are both the same
Scarfo was equally as stupid as Gotti if not worse
He decided murder was his calling card (yes we know because of what happened to his predecessors) made him that way but it doesn't take away the stupidity ... that fear led to guys like Tommy Del & Crow flipping and taking down the entire org
Granted a rat is a rat and would have turned anyway... but he made it a lot easier for guys to flip since they all saw how Salvi ended up (being loyal means nothing)
Who said he talked to reporters/ rather didn't talk to reporters. Does it even matter, he like Gotti loved to dress up and smile at the cameras
If he saw his name in the papers he was smiling for the entire day (most wisegusy would pay NOT to have their names in the papers)
He appointed his nephew who was the new breed of yappie dons who enjoyed the power and money but couldn't do the time. This put a lot of wiseguys in trouble not only in his own fam but other borgotas
And why did he promot Phil ? It was done to protect himself/ another dumb selfish move
Then he tried to get Nicky son to run things with cousin Tony and look where that got him. Almost killed. If he had any brains he would have realised it was over
NOBODY is fascinated with Scarfo. 99% of people on here have said he was a paranoid inept lunatic. So just relax man Just saying, I read a lot of people slating how dumb Gotti was/ worse boss etc but I rarely see Scarfo get shitt on He was just as dumb as Gotti if not dumber
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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/15/17 05:44 PM
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Want to be a criminal and get away with it? Become a lawyer.... That would make things a hell of a lot easier, but lawyers sometimes get life sentences for organized crime related crimes too, even successful ones. Random examples: Paul Bergrin in the USA and Raffaele Bevilacqua in Sicily (he was a Commission member for the Enna province if I remember well). But it's difficult to send away a lawyer, that's true. Better than that, only immunity that national-level politicians have. Dont forget about the Rizzuto kid, he's the last one left in his blood family still alive!
"It wasn't very good parsley to begin with, and then the cat went and peed on it." -Sicilian proverb
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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/15/17 07:26 PM
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U dumb facks! We ain't talking "love" love
What I mean is people on here as one of u said "are fascinated" with him. What's there to be fascinated about- he was just a lunatic/ stupid boss yet when I say love what I mean is he doesn't get shit on like Gotti does. Put simply he is much more well liked on these boards but they are both the same
Scarfo was equally as stupid as Gotti if not worse
He decided murder was his calling card (yes we know because of what happened to his predecessors) made him that way but it doesn't take away the stupidity ... that fear led to guys like Tommy Del & Crow flipping and taking down the entire org
Granted a rat is a rat and would have turned anyway... but he made it a lot easier for guys to flip since they all saw how Salvi ended up (being loyal means nothing)
Who said he talked to reporters/ rather didn't talk to reporters. Does it even matter, he like Gotti loved to dress up and smile at the cameras
If he saw his name in the papers he was smiling for the entire day (most wisegusy would pay NOT to have their names in the papers)
He appointed his nephew who was the new breed of yappie dons who enjoyed the power and money but couldn't do the time. This put a lot of wiseguys in trouble not only in his own fam but other borgotas
And why did he promot Phil ? It was done to protect himself/ another dumb selfish move
Then he tried to get Nicky son to run things with cousin Tony and look where that got him. Almost killed. If he had any brains he would have realised it was over
NOBODY is fascinated with Scarfo. 99% of people on here have said he was a paranoid inept lunatic. So just relax man Just saying, I read a lot of people slating how dumb Gotti was/ worse boss etc but I rarely see Scarfo get shitt on He was just as dumb as Gotti if not dumber he was definetly smarter than gotti to be fair. Also he was a better earner considering he controlled a lot of atlantic city. Scarfos biggest flaw was his bloodlust. He was so damn paranoid and obsessed with violence that it made him do stupid things
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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/16/17 06:01 AM
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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/16/17 08:46 PM
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I read (before they locked him up in supermax)that when Gotti was in jail awaiting his trial that he was idolized by many of the black "gangsta" types that were awaiting trials for things like drug dealing, strong arm robbery etc.
He told them all never to take a plea, make the government come after you and spend their money on a trial.
The next paragraph was how all these stupid kids who listened to Gotti who could have gotten 5 year plea deals got 20 to life for taking their shit to trial.
Somebody on here should know......
Did they ever catch Don Carlo on a bug????
John Coffey pretty much tells it like it is when it comes to these guys. Coffey spoke about how "cagey" Carlo was and how stupid Gotti was.
Sal joe coffee knew about gotti, he often said gotti had the IQ of a mothball. look how he destroyed the gambinos, their money went down from 100 million a year to 20 million, sammy flipped because he heard gotti on some tapes, that's all on gotti, but, the worse thing the moron ever did, was making his son boss, the dog wasn't fit to run a two-bit pizzeria, much less an LCN family.
" watch what you say around this guy, he's got a big mouth" sam giancana to an outfit soldier about frank Sinatra. [ from the book "my way"
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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/20/17 01:29 PM
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Yet I keep reading on here how smart Chin was. Most of the people who say that are just regurgitating what Sammy wrote in his book Savino was his biggest mistake, other than that he was the smartest boss of his day and this is confirmed by a lot of people who would know. From Selwyn Raab's Five Families: - John Pritchard, the FBI's Genovese Squad supervisor, who went on to hold high city and state law-enforcement posts, tipped his hat to Gigante's evasive abilities. ''Without a doubt, he was the smartest, most scheming Mafia figure to come down the pike in my time. There seemed to be no way to get him.''
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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/23/17 12:26 AM
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Gotti was boss from December 1985 to December 2002. He was arrested in December 1990 and got life in 1992. How much command and control did he have when he was arrested for the final time? Not much. He basically had a 5 year run as Boss and most of his 5 years he was in jail or on trial.
As Joe Massino said about Rusty Rastelli, "How smart can he be if he spent half his life in jail?"
Couldn't the same be said for how successful Gotti was as Boss?
His legacy is undeniable. He's an icon. Which is really what he wanted. So he did what he wanted to accomplish. Be a legendary icon and famous mob boss. The cost was life in prison.
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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/23/17 03:29 AM
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I'm fascinated by this whole thing just as we all are or we wouldn't be here, but...
If I spend a lifetime being a scumbag and wandering the streets in a bathrobe mumbling gibberish to myself and not wiping my ass after I shit...and fill my other time outsmarting jerk off shrinks into thinking I'm crazy...and with the threat of life in prison constantly over my head...
...would you call me smart too? I didn't fucking think so.
Let's not redefine the term intelligent. Less of a Dumbfuck is what we're really talking about here and we all know it. They say anyone can pull a trigger---maybe it's true, maybe it ain't. And forgive me if I don't put much stock in what some cop says. You think he wants to admit his life's work was nabbing people who couldn't make a grilled cheese sandwich? A cop calling a monster smart justifies the cops existence. A self fulfilling prophecy. If you do all that and control a very powerful criminal organization at the same time I'd definitely consider you to be pretty intelligent. Chin was extremely dedicated, the guy was like an evil genius.
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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/25/17 01:21 PM
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Dwalin2011
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alicecooper but I don't get it, are we talking about them from a moral point of view or just about their abilities? Because it's completely different; a criminal may be smart or even a genius, but still a scumbag. The fact he is clever and uses the intelligence to commit crimes makes him morally even worse. Somebody may be a n.1 in his abilities and even a genius like nobody before, and still being a scumbag.
And it doesn't apply just to "normal" criminals (members of the "underworld") imo. Like for example, in history there were plenty of extremely capable generals among the conquerors of new lands, yet they make both Gotti and Gigante put together and multiplied by 100, look like angels, if counting the number of innocent civilians killed.
I mean, my point is that, saying somebody is smart doesn't mean giving him credit as a person. Somebody may be a "smart" bastard deserving a lethal injection at the same time.
Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: John Gotti Sr overly critisized
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08/26/17 10:03 PM
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When it comes to big mouths, Gotti didn't do himself any favors in that regard by hanging with Quack Quack. In the end Gotti seemed more interested in business suits than anything. I mean, a daily visit to the barber ?!?
"It was all crap, right up to the moment he died" - an investigator's opinion - and epitaph - of John Holmes (Johnny Wadd)
"Drunk words are sober thoughts" - Anon.
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