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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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In your opinion, why didn't Di Maulo at least try to hit Vito when he returned from the USA? He surely knew he would be the priority as a target, since he was the only one of the 3 main "conspirators" still on the streets and free, therefore easy to kill, since Desjardins was already in prison and Montagna dead. If Vito died, maybe Di Maulo would have become boss at the end if some Rizzuto loyalists decided to "change loyalties" impressed by Vito's murder (if it had happened), at least trying is better than nothing. And, if he was so willing to die and had a "philosophical" approach towards "being sentenced to death by the boss", like Sonny Black decades ago in the USA, then why did he participate in the anti-Rizzuto "rebellion" in the first place? Di Maulo's actions before and after Vito's return seem to contradict one another, in the end he started acting out of character imo. In your opinion, what could be the reason? Even if he felt he had little chance, trying would have been better than nothing.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/26/17 09:37 PM
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In your opinion, why didn't Di Maulo at least try to hit Vito when he returned from the USA? He surely knew he would be the priority as a target, since he was the only one of the 3 main "conspirators" still on the streets and free, therefore easy to kill, since Desjardins was already in prison and Montagna dead. If Vito died, maybe Di Maulo would have become boss at the end if some Rizzuto loyalists decided to "change loyalties" impressed by Vito's murder (if it had happened), at least trying is better than nothing. And, if he was so willing to die and had a "philosophical" approach towards "being sentenced to death by the boss", like Sonny Black decades ago in the USA, then why did he participate in the anti-Rizzuto "rebellion" in the first place? Di Maulo's actions before and after Vito's return seem to contradict one another, in the end he started acting out of character imo. In your opinion, what could be the reason? Even if he felt he had little chance, trying would have been better than nothing. From what I remember Di Maulo was not one of the primary movers against the Rizzutos, he was older and obviously very wealthy and probably didn't want to go to war at that point in this life. I think that it was Montagna, Desjardins, and DeVito who were the main engines behind the war, Di Maulo was at most in an advisory role. Desjardins was his brother in law, so I think that he was in a tough spot. I also remember reading that he let Montagna and the Calabrians take a sports book that belonged to the Rizzutos and that obviously pissed Vito off. Maybe he told Vito "Hey, I was in a tough spot, I had you on the one hand and my brother in law on the other, what was I supposed to do? You are back and my brother in law is in jail, so I am fine with going back to the old status quo." He might have thought that that was enough, it is possible that Rizzuto even said "Ok, let's let bygones be bygones, all is forgiven." He was obviously very clever, maybe he told Di Maulo enough to make him believe that all was forgiven so that he would drop his guard and was easier to hit. It could have also been that he was older, had lived his whole life in Montreal, and did not think that there was anywhere that he could go. Maybe with all of the leaders of the anti-Rizzuto faction either dead or in jail, he thought that he did not have the muscle to make peace and that his only option, as much of a long shot as it was, was to try and re-establish a good relationship with Rizzuto. A lot of things don't make sense to me, like how Tony Magi is still alive, even though it seems to be common knowledge that he set up Nick Rizzuto's murder. Also, where does Tony Mucci fit in, he was really close to Moreno Gallo and as far as I know the Rizzuto faction had no problem with him. Hopefully some day a cooperator is able to shine some light on where everyone stood and who was with who when the fighting broke out and then when Rizzuto came home.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/27/17 04:39 PM
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From what I remember Di Maulo was not one of the primary movers against the Rizzutos, he was older and obviously very wealthy and probably didn't want to go to war at that point in this life. I think that it was Montagna, Desjardins, and DeVito who were the main engines behind the war, Di Maulo was at most in an advisory role.
Thanks for the information, I honestly didn't know De Vito was a main player here. But was he even made? I think I read somewhere he was an associate although a big earner, so what would he gain by overthrowing the Rizzuto group? Promotion to soldier (he couldn't become boss or capo just like that without "working" for some time at least as a made member)? Desjardins isn't made because he has no Italian blood, so at the end only Montagna could grab the power and become boss; unless Desjardins controlled him behind the scenes like a "non-formal" power, but he obviously couldn't since he had to kill Montagna to avoid being killed himself. So who he thought should be boss after the Rizzutos got killed, if he himself wasn't arrested for Montagna's murder? Would he have tried to convince Di Maulo to step up as boss, or did he initially think he could control Montagna, but was mistaken almost at cost of his life? I know we can only make speculations, but still.... But that De Vito was a main figure here, not a secondary character, this is completely new to me. In your opinion, did they poison him in prison at Vito RIzzuto's order? But if he was powerful enough to get to prisoners too, why didn't he kill Desjardins as well? I agree that hopefully somebody will eventually give information...But as I said before, imo they missed a possible (although small) chance by making a deal with Desjardins instead of asking for the maximum penalty. As unbelievable as it sounds, that he would ever tell anything, there have been cases in mafia history when gangsters who nobody could ever think would cooperate, ratted everybody out all of a sudden on a certain point (take Lonardo and Massino for instance). If somebody among the Montreal gangsters really knows much (at least among the ones currently in jail), it's Desjardins, and imo it would have been worthy to at least try to make him crack by giving him life (or is it 25 years maximum in Canada, I don't remember). He isn't that young and has done not-so-short prison stretches before, so who knows what would his position be after other 10 or 15 years in jail with still at least other 10 ahead. Maybe he would at least tell about the gangsters that are already dead. Or is it considered ratting all the same, like testifying against living ones?
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1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/27/17 05:29 PM
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Desjardins isn't made because he has no Italian blood, so at the end only Montagna could grab the power and become boss That is still up for debate. Montagna was just crazy he didn't have the support in Quebec needed to become a player like the Desjardins family. Ray's son Mathieu Desjardins is half Italian so in theory they can make him.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/27/17 05:47 PM
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Desjardins isn't made because he has no Italian blood, so at the end only Montagna could grab the power and become boss That is still up for debate. Montagna was just crazy he didn't have the support in Quebec needed to become a player like the Desjardins family. Ray's son Mathieu Desjardins is half Italian so in theory they can make him. Maybe, though I imagine there would have been quite a lot of....objection among the mafiosi when a traditionally Italian organization gets "officially" under control of somebody with last name Desjardins  If I remember well what I read, when they accept half Italians, they are more willing to take ones who are Italians on father's side, I only remember Charles "Chucky" Porter from Pittsburgh as an exception. But it would be really interesting though, a boss of an Italian mob named Mathieu Desjardins! It would be like having somebody with last name Ivanov as president of France or somebody named Wang or Chen in charge in Germany.
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Willie Marfeo to Henry Tameleo:
1) "You people want a loaf of bread and you throw the crumbs back. Well, fuck you. I ain't closing down."
2) "Get out of here, old man. Go tell Raymond to go shit in his hat. We're not giving you anything."
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/29/17 07:56 AM
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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08/30/17 06:09 AM
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