That's true, thanks for pointing out (I had this documentary for some time but still hadn't watched)! Really, I have no words....Assholes, those Westie "soldiers"...And I really thought they were about to behead 2 strongest Mafia families in the USA and just missed the chance. As it seems, far from "beheading" the mob, they probably wouldn't be able to stick their heads right under the guillotine if they were to be beheaded themselves (well, maybe the allegory is a little clumsy, but this is the only think I could think about).

The "Mobsters" episode "conveniently" omitted this detail as I remember.

I thought Ruby Stein was aligned with Fat Tony and the Genovese?

By the way, thanks for the link, this video has a little better image quality than the one I had.

It's kinda like calling us or a certain level of Irish society white trash..it's hard 2 explain,google it,u may get a more comprehensive result.

The movie "State of Grace" w/ Sean Penn,Gary Oldman was based on this entire event..great movie by the way.

Why do u keep saying they could have killed TWO of the biggest fam?

It was only Castellano (with I believe billotti and gaggi) that met up with them?

I'm not surprised at all that they wanted there cut from the websites. "Hells kitchen " was only about 10 blocks but it had some money in it.

What surprised me is that the Gen didn't get involved seeing how that is there territory generally.

The book by T.J.English says Tieri from the Genovese was there too, but losing him alone wouldn't have beheaded the family, you are right...I checked now, I thought for some reason Fat Tony Salerno was there too, my mistake...But then, the book says

This doesn't make sense, shouldn't it be the other way around (Tieri was above Salerno)?

The book (and and partially, the "Mobsters" episode too) lists Dellacroce, Lombardozzi, Gallo and Gaggi for the Gambinos (Bilotti isn't mentioned), apart from Castellano.

But then I don't know for sure, "Mobsters" sometimes make things up and the author of the book, while considered more reliable I think, apart from the Salerno-Tieri confusion, he agrees that Tieri's underboss (Eli Zeccardi, spelled Zicardi in the book) was killed by Mickey Spillane's gang in a kidnapping, while many others say it's more likely Tieri had him killed and blamed Spillane.

So some sources get things wrong, it's not always clear right away which ones do.

"That was the plan"

Right. Thats how many times I hear that quote like it only serves to give them notoriety. Every mob book I've read somebody has said they "planned" to take over X family, and just whack the boss, they planned to escape from prison, etc. It's like me saying my plan is to take over the US and stage a coup against Donald Trump, getting arrested and telling people "Oh but I had it planned!"

"No plan survives contact with the enemy" - Erwin Rommel


I bet at one point Kuklinski "planned" to take over all 5 families by killing their bosses.

Well, since the "hit squad" was partying and smoking weed almost up to start having hallucinations, their "plan" does indeed go in the same category as Kuklinski's tales

Are they all free the ones who went to trial with jimmy c. One flipped after the trial and the judge didnt even reduce his sentence. Some were young and the judge went a little leniat on. Was a good book by the author english.