They should claim to be muslim refugees, then Merkel will step in and allow them to wear them again !!

A smart move on Germany's part, if the Hell's Angels are concentrating on the ban, then they won't be killing each other. Anyone know the state of the Hesse chapter (Frankfurt) after "Lazy-eye" Mucuk was killed? I know about 20 to 30 members patched over to the Outlaws in Dusseldorf, while Hamburg chapter has not been recruiting heavy since then.

I'm against banning the colors, it won't change anything they will go more underground and more difficult to track. You could ban a certain chapter though.

well they are a form of scum , good for them do not let them get comfortable like we do with scum like neo nazis too many folks from crooked politicians and cops on down get too much rope here

I don't know anything about Germany but in the US the Feds are doing their test run against the mongols mc. Trying to seize the colors or anything with the logos on it; shirts, belt buckles etc. it's been going on for several years. They get hollow victories and then they are overturned on appeal.

The Feds can't lose. Either they win and then go after Avery club in the country or they keep losing and subsequently try to bankrupt the club. But it's kind of backfiring because it drives them to get bigger and bring in more cash to keep fighting in the courts.

I disagree with it because it forces the clubs underground and then they will pull anyone over saying well we had to confirm who you weren't. Scumbag government. Even if ya hate bikers and think they are criminals you have to admit having them self identify with club and name patches is a godsend. And the Feds spend millions upon millions of our tax dollars to make them not self identify.

Dutch prosecutors seek ban on Bandidos motorcycle club

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/10/03/dutch-prosecutors-seek-ban-on-bandidos-motorcycle-club.html

I don't see the Feds here at home being able to seize any Clubs colors. The first problem is proving that the 1%ers are a criminal organization. They are not,despite the PR bullsh*t put out by the Gov't. Now,I'm not naive,I know that some members are drug dealers,rapists,extortionists,killers,etc. But there has never been any evidence brought forth in any Court,in any Criminal case,that these activities are in any way sanctioned by the top leadership or that any member is expected to commit crimes in order to wear a Patch.
The Clubs do not operate as a hierarchy when it comes to crime. For example,if a member decides to sell Meth,he is going to kick back a piece of his action to either his Diamond (Chapter President)or his Mother Club rep. The catch is that he is never formally told this,it's "understood". By that I mean that when his Sponsor is "educating" him (once he becomes a Full Patch), this info will be passed on. But it will be in a one on one setting. Or the new member knows enough about the protocol (very likely)that the proper procedures will be followed.
Rico is never going to work against these guys,because the Clubs,unlike the Mob,do not exist solely to commit crimes,and many Members never do anything illegal, nor are they required to.

LE often goes after the entire club, not just the chapters. If they concentrated on certain chapters they would have more conviction rates that would not be overturned on appeals. It is not like the 70's, 80', or 90's. The guys that are in the mother club, don't commit or sanction acts that often anymore. When you look at the rapid growth of the Bandidos and Hell's Angels, they are recruiting more young members with a criminal mind set, instead of guys that just like to hangout and ride bikes together.

Here in Western Pa,the dominant Club is the Paga*ns. In the last few years,there have been several members convicted of various crimes,but due to the structure, the Feds can't prove any conspiracy whether it be the Club as a whole,or an individual Chapter.
For example,a Pag*an nicknamed Rodent is doing 28 years for the fatal shooting of a guy who wore a Hel*s Ang*ls support shirt.
Now arguably this crime was committed to protect the honor of the Pag*ns, and could have been spun to argue that it was done in furtherance of the Enterprise (Rico language),but again,it couldn't be proven.
The former National President of the Club was busted for selling coke and meth,but it couldn't be proven that anyone but him was involved.By the way, he was released when the judge overturned the conviction due to the Feds totally screwing up the procedure to be used when employing a wired up snitch.
Also the President of the Pittsburgh chapter went to federal prison for coke sales but again the trail led nowhere beyond his own activity.
In most of the Pag*n convictions in this area,the accused plead guilty,and get pretty lenient sentences,so appeals are not always applicable. Also these guys either buy off or intimidate the judges in order to get these sentences.
Having said all this, the original thread concerned the seizure of a Club's Colors,and that will never happen

Outlaw taco bowman and several others went down for Rico. Even then it was still only individuals and not whole chapters. And that included several murders in like 5 states.

They maybe could have tried getting all those pagans on a Rico when they crashed the angels tattoo convention years ago but that was before the Feds and le realized what a career making cash cow the clubs were.

I think the outlaws national
President after bowman went down for Rico too, Milwaukee jack iirc?

I think there is an active case in Illinois where they’re trying to seize a few outlaws colors after a bar fight. That fight could go on forever who knows.

Lou do you know what ever happened to ex philly pagans pres gorilla mondevergne?

Gorilla pleaded guilty to assault for shooting Tim "Casual" Flood in the knee then stabbing him in the back. Reportedly this was a symbolic gesture,since Gorilla felt that HE had been stabbed in the back by Flood. He was given a 3-10 year sentence.

There's a world of info on the web if you google Gorilla Mondevergine. The interaction between him and the Hel*s Ang*ls,the internal issues with him and the Pag*n leadership,and a ton of other stuff.

Gorilla has resumed his place as a well respected,"old school"
biker. Most of the younger members love him and he represents a throwback to the days when the Pag*ns didn't give a shit about International Chapters,having a website,or anything other than being the undisputed big fishes in a small pond.
They have their territory,their illegal businesses,and the unwavering respect of everybody under their umbrella. As always these things are obtained and kept by bone chilling violence unfiltered by mercy or empathy.
I think if it weren't for his high profile over the years,Gorilla would have made Nat'l President. You see a lot of the younger members.(and even a Mother Club Member or two)wearing ball caps that say "Gorilla Warfare".
Rooster loves him and Joey Merlino is close to him as well.
Unfortunately,his health is not good. Supposedly,he has been getting chemo but this is not chiseled in stone.
Bottom line,as long as he walks the streets,there will never be a Phlly Chapter without Gorilla,and there will never be a Gorilla without a Philly Chapter.

German police launch massive crackdown on Hells Angels group

http://www.dw.com/en/german-police-launch-massive-crackdown-on-hells-angels-group/a-41005862

Lot of turmoil in Philly Pagan land. Bunch of old timers were put “out bad”, but rather than turn their colors in, they’ve gone rogue as the “pagan nomads”. Not naming names, but there’s been a changing of the guard. Lots of accusations of snitching and/or dry snitching leading to turmoil.

After his sentence was overturned on appeal, the former National President of the Pag*ns, (R**ster),along with a few Diamondbacks (Chapter Presidents), started a new Club. They are not using the Pag*n name,or their colors, and are in no way affiliated with them. R**ster got sick of all of the snitches and so called "brothers" who have no idea of what a true 1% er Club is about. If you want more info, Google Sutars Soldiers.