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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Anti, a lot of funeral homes do that here with pre-paid services. They'll pop up, take in a bunch of money, and then fold up. Gives the good folks a bad name. Not sure if the Loreto done that or not. The Loreto funeral home resumes business on Tuesday, October 31, based on the most recent obituary shown on the website. Below is a link to my Evernote item about the renovations that seemed to have been undertaken at some point after the arson on April 25. https://www.evernote.com/shard/s229/sh/2...be1dcbbd204f560dixiemafia, Sorry. I should have commented on your post from back in August. Per Quebec's business registry, the Loreto funeral home started operating in or around 1995. I am reluctant to believe that the closure for several months was related to some sort of scam to take money from grieving families. A number of organized-crime authors and reporters have often mentioned that the Loreto is the only business owned by the Rizzutos (and their relatives) that is a source of legitimate income. Nevertheless, I have to wonder whether the Loreto refunded the money it received from those who made prepaid funeral-home arrangements but were forced during the closure to make arrangements at another funeral home. And did the Loreto provide additional compensation to people who made prepaid arrangements but had to scramble to find another funeral home? The whole idea of these prepaid arrangements is for individuals and families to save money by prepaying for a funeral before it ever takes place. Making funeral arrangments in the last few months obviously cost these people more than what they shelled out in prepaid arrangements some time ago.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...rte-disparu.phpJacques Desjardins, 68 years old, brother of the boss Raynald Desjardins, left his residence of Laval to go to an appointment around 8 am Monday morning. He has not returned and has never given any news since, contrary to his habits. Worried, his family contacted Laval police who began an investigation. Jesus.. Vito and Jacques. 
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/03/17 10:51 AM
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...rte-disparu.phpJacques Desjardins, 68 years old, brother of the boss Raynald Desjardins, left his residence of Laval to go to an appointment around 8 am Monday morning. He has not returned and has never given any news since, contrary to his habits. Worried, his family contacted Laval police who began an investigation. Could be a message to Desjardins now that his guys are returning to the streets This ain't over.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...rte-disparu.phpJacques Desjardins, 68 years old, brother of the boss Raynald Desjardins, left his residence of Laval to go to an appointment around 8 am Monday morning. He has not returned and has never given any news since, contrary to his habits. Worried, his family contacted Laval police who began an investigation. Could be a message to Desjardins now that his guys are returning to the streets This ain't over. Yeah, I think it is going to get messy again.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...rte-disparu.phpJacques Desjardins, 68 years old, brother of the boss Raynald Desjardins, left his residence of Laval to go to an appointment around 8 am Monday morning. He has not returned and has never given any news since, contrary to his habits. Worried, his family contacted Laval police who began an investigation. Could be a message to Desjardins now that his guys are returning to the streets This ain't over. Yeah, I think it is going to get messy again. I wonder how much support he still has now everyone is dead. There will be a point people get tired of waging wars and then the biggest antagonizer will be taken out before the rest makes peace.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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http://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/justic...rte-disparu.phpJacques Desjardins, 68 years old, brother of the boss Raynald Desjardins, left his residence of Laval to go to an appointment around 8 am Monday morning. He has not returned and has never given any news since, contrary to his habits. Worried, his family contacted Laval police who began an investigation. Could be a message to Desjardins now that his guys are returning to the streets This ain't over. Yeah, I think it is going to get messy again. I wonder how much support he still has now everyone is dead. There will be a point people get tired of waging wars and then the biggest antagonizer will be taken out before the rest makes peace. To be honest with you I wondered that myself. It all boils down to who was backing the Desjardins clan. Will the remnants of the Cotroni clan get involved? Is the Ndrangheta from Toronto willing to continue this conflict when they have one in their own soil ? Is it Hamilton or will there be another Montreal clan leader that will emerge & want to challenge the leadership ? One thing for sure the Rizzuto clan are willing to fight till death, they don't seem to be giving up.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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Maybe Sal Montagna had still some support. It is hard to say, he didn't have anyone when he was alive. He would brag that he had muscle from New York and was later proven wrong but it doesn't dismiss that a close and/or connected Montagna family member from the Bonnano's, may have put a contract; although I believe the later not to be the case. True was thinking out of the box here, but what do we know about Montagna, don't forget he grew up in Sicily his family is probably old school.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/04/17 01:27 AM
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Maybe Sal Montagna had still some support. It is hard to say, he didn't have anyone when he was alive. He would brag that he had muscle from New York and was later proven wrong but it doesn't dismiss that a close and/or connected Montagna family member from the Bonnano's, may have put a contract; although I believe the later not to be the case. He had guys around him in Montreal. Don't say you don't know that because you do. But obviously he didn't have wide support in the city and also not enough muscle. I'm confident however that when more evidence is made available it will only support his role in the coup even further. I think he had a bigger hand in the hits on [BadWord], Renda and Rizzuto than Desjardins. As for the contract, do you think the Bonannos are not capable of it or that they don't care?
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/04/17 09:43 AM
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Maybe Sal Montagna had still some support. It is hard to say, he didn't have anyone when he was alive. He would brag that he had muscle from New York and was later proven wrong but it doesn't dismiss that a close and/or connected Montagna family member from the Bonnano's, may have put a contract; although I believe the later not to be the case. He had guys around him in Montreal. Don't say you don't know that because you do. But obviously he didn't have wide support in the city and also not enough muscle. I'm confident however that when more evidence is made available it will only support his role in the coup even further. I think he had a bigger hand in the hits on [BadWord], Renda and Rizzuto than Desjardins. As for the contract, do you think the Bonannos are not capable of it or that they don't care? Of course he had guys around him. If you recall the Arcuri's,Devito, Desjardins,Montagna & others had formed an alliance. The people around him were all Canadians. In police recordings, the Desjardins clan were mocking Montagna about bring his New York guys that never materialized. They referred to him as Mickey Mouse if I recall. From this fact, it is logical to conclude that if his New York muscle were not present when Montagna was alive and warring with the Rizzuto's; why would New York want to get involved after Montagna's death, if they haven't done so before. Furthermore, I have seen no evidence thus far of any Bonnano direct involvement, they may, and I underscore may, have been indirectly. With regards to the second question, I think the Bonnano's would care to continue their business in Montreal but they lack Canadian muscle at the moment to do the job. The Arcuri's are close to the Bonnano's but they went underground when things got tough, their crew got wiped out. The Bonanno's had good relations also with the Cotroni's for several decades. It was the Rizzuto's that came in and upset the cards. They wanted total domination.
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Re: Why the mob war in Montreal may be far from over
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11/04/17 11:47 AM
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Maybe Sal Montagna had still some support. It is hard to say, he didn't have anyone when he was alive. He would brag that he had muscle from New York and was later proven wrong but it doesn't dismiss that a close and/or connected Montagna family member from the Bonnano's, may have put a contract; although I believe the later not to be the case. He had guys around him in Montreal. Don't say you don't know that because you do. But obviously he didn't have wide support in the city and also not enough muscle. I'm confident however that when more evidence is made available it will only support his role in the coup even further. I think he had a bigger hand in the hits on [BadWord], Renda and Rizzuto than Desjardins. As for the contract, do you think the Bonannos are not capable of it or that they don't care? Of course he had guys around him. If you recall the Arcuri's,Devito, Desjardins,Montagna & others had formed an alliance. The people around him were all Canadians. In police recordings, the Desjardins clan were mocking Montagna about bring his New York guys that never materialized. They referred to him as Mickey Mouse if I recall. From this fact, it is logical to conclude that if his New York muscle were not present when Montagna was alive and warring with the Rizzuto's; why would New York want to get involved after Montagna's death, if they haven't done so before. Furthermore, I have seen no evidence thus far of any Bonnano direct involvement, they may, and I underscore may, have been indirectly. With regards to the second question, I think the Bonnano's would care to continue their business in Montreal but they lack Canadian muscle at the moment to do the job. The Arcuri's are close to the Bonnano's but they went underground when things got tough, their crew got wiped out. The Bonanno's had good relations also with the Cotroni's for several decades. It was the Rizzuto's that came in and upset the cards. They wanted total domination. It were Canadian associates of the Bonannos who aligned with him. And most of them were higher-ups in the Rizzuto organization, some id'd as made members. But their problem was that they weren't in charge of large crews. The lion share of street thugs were either still loyal to the Rizzuto organization or the dissidents De Vito and Desjardins. Things had indeed changed for the Bonannos when the Rizzutos took over and basically formed their own organization apart from the Bonannos which also led to fragmentation. By the time Montagna came to Montreal there was not simply one Bonanno crew he could take over and be head of the Montreal Mafia. He had to work with others. I think both Montagna and Desjardins mocked each other through intercepted messages. Desjardins also wrote that Montagna had broken his trust which means that they had a serious alliance before it fell apart.
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