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Re: president trump
[Re: Giacomo_Vacari]
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02/18/18 09:30 PM
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Bernie Sanders the real socialist. He spends his honey moon in Moscow in real life. No one did that years ago. His supporters love free stuff. Do you really think his supporters made all those small donations for him. There far to cheap to give him money. I would say the Russians did it some how.
Remember when breaking bad was on. Saul had people take Walters money and launder it through his sons web site in fake name and small amounts of money. Honeymoon in Russia makes one a communist? Well I guess me having a honeymoon in Germany, Italy, and Spain makes me fascist. When sanders went to Russia it did mean that. It was not a tourist spot back then as you know.
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Re: president trump
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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02/19/18 06:18 PM
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Re: president trump
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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02/21/18 10:16 AM
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We have mountains of evidence that proves that tighter gun regulations lower gun deaths. Nobody is so laughably naive as to think laws are only effective or valuable if they never fail.
This widespread assumption that people will just find other ways to produce the same results is incorrect. That's not what happens. Suicide rates drop drastically when guns aren't available. Shooting sprees result in far fewer deaths when automatic weapons are not available. Shootings in and of themselves decrease dramatically when firearms are not easy to come by. These things have been shown time and time again in the research, so why do people keep appealing to assumptions like this?
All we have to do is put informed and effective barriers up so that it takes more work to get the guns and they become less available to people who shouldn't have them.
Effective gun control would give us universal backgrounds checks for absolutely all sales that check against a federal registry to which all states are required to submit all their records. It would require a longer waiting period for a license and additional waiting periods for permits for each firearm purchased. That license would be revoked with conviction of certain crimes or certain mental health assessments. It would also legislate certain storage requirements and require reporting if stolen, with a criminal charge if a non-reported stolen gun were used in the commission of a crime. It would require taking safety and skills courses and passing a skills and knowledge test as well as a mental health check. Etc., etc. Most of these things are already in place in places like Canada, Switzerland, Australia, etc., and they work very well.
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: president trump
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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02/21/18 10:55 AM
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I have no problem with tighter gun control. If they want to have more in depth background checks, have at it. When I applied fit my concealed, it took up to 60 or 90 days for the background check. When I bought my AK, it took a signature at a dealer and two days for shipping. Gun, magazines, and 1k rounds. If I was told that it would've taken 60-90 days for my background check, I wouldn't have complained. Those studies were done in other countries. The usa is a whole different kind of madness. Suicide by gun is the most effective, but if someone wants to die let them go. But guns aren't the problem. It wasn't until 1986 that full auto "machine guns"were banned from civilian sales. Granted with the proper permit, you can have one as well as suppressors. Kids weren't shooting up schools like they are now. What is causing all of this chaos? We need to get to the root of what is making these kids crack in such a sadistic manner. My point is, we can't just say guns are the problem and problem solved. Guns contributed as the weapon of choice. But these crazy fuckers are pulling the triggers. Another thing that will be difficult is the mental health background check. Good old HIPPA is going to get in the way, now we're infringing on people's health privacy. Come to think of it, say you have a seizure and go to the hospital. They have to notify the dmv and you lose your license for six months to see if you have another seizure. So why can't they do something similar to those with mental issues? But none of the six month thing, FOREVER!
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Re: president trump
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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02/21/18 11:00 AM
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Im all for the second amendment but with logic. i have no problem with more indepth background checks and certainly no problem with longer waiting periods. Did any of you know that in certain states, if your guns get stolen or lost, you are NOT required to report to the police ! Thats insanity. Can you imagine if you had 30 high powered rifles and a bunch of hand guns that were stolen and you never had to report it. Or you could buy hundreds of guns and sell them illegally and if they get traced to you, you can just say they were stolen... how that can happen is a mystery. The big gun control myth is this: states such as new jersey and new york that have tight gun control laws still have high levels of gun violence despite tough gun laws. What they dont say is the criminals travel to states with lax gun laws and buy them in those states. If every state had tighter gun laws, it would be much tougher for criminals to procure illegal guns.
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Re: president trump
[Re: Belmont]
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02/21/18 11:28 AM
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helenwheels
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Im all for the second amendment but with logic. i have no problem with more indepth background checks and certainly no problem with longer waiting periods. Did any of you know that in certain states, if your guns get stolen or lost, you are NOT required to report to the police ! Thats insanity. Can you imagine if you had 30 high powered rifles and a bunch of hand guns that were stolen and you never had to report it. Or you could buy hundreds of guns and sell them illegally and if they get traced to you, you can just say they were stolen... how that can happen is a mystery. I found out about some of the states not having the requirement to report stolen guns about a year ago, and I still cannot wrap my mind around it. It was a very 'what the fuck?' moment for me Also, many states don't require you to register each individual gun, which is another mind blower. Every one of my guns needed to be registered and I think that's just common sense law. The big gun control myth is this: states such as new jersey and new york that have tight gun control laws still have high levels of gun violence despite tough gun laws. What they dont say is the criminals travel to states with lax gun laws and buy them in those states. If every state had tighter gun laws, it would be much tougher for criminals to procure illegal guns. Agree 100%. This is a no brainer. Where do people think illegal guns come from, gun fairies?
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All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: president trump
[Re: Belmont]
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02/21/18 11:40 AM
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Im all for the second amendment but with logic. i have no problem with more indepth background checks and certainly no problem with longer waiting periods. Did any of you know that in certain states, if your guns get stolen or lost, you are NOT required to report to the police ! Thats insanity. Can you imagine if you had 30 high powered rifles and a bunch of hand guns that were stolen and you never had to report it. Or you could buy hundreds of guns and sell them illegally and if they get traced to you, you can just say they were stolen... how that can happen is a mystery. The big gun control myth is this: states such as new jersey and new york that have tight gun control laws still have high levels of gun violence despite tough gun laws. What they dont say is the criminals travel to states with lax gun laws and buy them in those states. If every state had tighter gun laws, it would be much tougher for criminals to procure illegal guns. I agree with most of the points you stated but if you have a porous border tighter gun laws will only be a part of the solution. People intent on committing crimes will still be able to purchase guns illegally. Democrats that complain about these school massacres close their eyes to guns and criminals coming illegally across the border.
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Re: president trump
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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02/21/18 11:45 AM
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No thinking person makes the argument that we can stop all crimes. That's a red herring.
Common sense gun control is about reduction, not complete elimination. Like we did with drunk driving fatalities to great success.
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: president trump
[Re: Binnie_Coll]
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02/21/18 01:16 PM
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Gun control and border control are two separate issues. Im for much tighter border control, including a wall but that has nothing to do with gun control. The border needs to be secured, no doubt about it.. Again, i am for the second amendment, just be smart about it. I cant wait until states with very lax gun laws legalize weed. You will have a bunch of stoners hunting for pink elephants. Lots of fat people are going to die,..lol
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