CabriniGreen
if you look the assets seized to sicilian mafia are even bigger than camorra, sicilian mafia in sicily owns hotels, construction firms, garbage enterprises, supermarkets, bet agencies, slot and video poker machines, countryside lands, discoteques, restaurants, every sort of shops etc.
saviano doesn't know so much about sicilian mafia, he only focus on camorra and a bit of ndrangheta
the fact that camorra sometimes supplied sicilians with cocaine it doesn't mean it was stronger
also the fact tha casalesi and nuvoletta are members of cosa nostra shows like sicilian mafia had a big influence in campania and not the opposite
sicilian mafia is more linked with politician and freemasons
camorra have people scattered abroad but not whole crime families like the sicilians
i don't know who generates more money between counterfeit goods and extortions anyway

http://www.antimafiaduemila.com/home/opinioni/235-politica/49749-verso-la-fine-dei-casalesi.html


Iovine has begun to talk and no one knows when he will stop while in Naples as in Rome many are worried about the new revelations. The new contributor said, among other things, that he managed the clan cash register until 2008 "that every month Casalesi could count on about 350 thousand euro of income without counting the personal income that each boss could get." Iovine recalled: "I managed to raise all my business between 130 and 140 thousand euros a month, I had the burden of paying at least 60 thousand for salaries but at least 70 thousand remained for me a month."


I dont understand.. Here we're reading about the billions these bosses make etc but still the boss of bosses Antonio Iovine says he got 130-140 thousand euros a month, of which he only got 70 thousands for himself.

you should understand that the billionaire earnings of mafia bosses is usually bullshit, ant this applies to italian mafia, russian oc, mexican cartels, chinese triads or whoever
the bosses who really earns very much are few, people like pablo escobar, el chapo or matteo messina denaro, the others much less than people use to think

That what i am talking to him for a long time , i said numbers of times that what media reports billions and billions are total bullshit. Probably Matteo Messina Denaro is one of top bosses by $ in Italy or even Europe

I know mostly about Albanian crime figures because i have a lot of albanian friends who lives in that life and some of them has cousins who plays in the big league of Albanian organized crime and some of them are quite big players themselves. I know for a fact the Osmani brothers in Hamburg are easily worth a billion dollar. People who have worked for them and with them has told me that they have a legitimate buisness thats worth about 3-400 million euros but thats nothing compared to the money they make owning Casinos and St Pauli, Reepeerbahn.

So i believe there is many bosses who has big money like 1 billion and over but not on their name. Because every Albanian i've met who got a name in the life, they tell me the Italians are on another level, not on violence part but on the money part.

The organizations make billions and spreading it around, not the bosses.

Indeed,i meant on individuals in organized crime. But i still think the figures some media reports like 100 billion + for 'Ndrangheta is bullshit. Some of them reports 10-15 billions , some around 40(mostly saw this one) and again i saw some reports saying 150 billion which is absurd. I dont think all 4 italian mafia groups pull that much money

matteo messina denaro is really worth to billions, police seized almost 1 billion in assets from him
but the bosses with so much money are few
i didn't know the osmani brothers were so rich

Antonio Mele, 57, and Biagio Palumbo, 53 , were shot dead in a car in Naples Wednesday in an apparent Camorra hit. The ambush took place in the Miano quarter, local sources said.

I never heard osmani brothers are worth that much, so far i heard its around 300-400 millions.

Their legitimate buisnesses is worth that, their casinos, construction companies etc. But they also own all the red light districts in Hamburg and are heavily involved in drugs. One of the brothers runs a Shipping company(i wonder for what).

And still i dont think they are on the same level as Camorra/Ndrangheta bosses for example

http://bitterqueen.typepad.com/frie...-billionaire-mobster-found-in-spain.html


In May 2011 Italian police seized more than a billion euros in suspected Polverino clan assets "including construction companies, luxury villas and cars, vast tracts of land, shell companies, bank accounts and even butchers and bakeries"

more than a billion dollars seized from the Polverino clan and i dont belive these assets are divided into all of the members in the clan but only a few.. And thats only what the police have seized there was probably much more PLUS its the Polverinos, they are nowhere near the Zagarias,Iovines,Di Lauros etc.

Camorra boss 'depressed' by tough jail regime (3)
Casalesi chieftain Zagaria 'suffering from 41 bis'

(ANSA) - Caserta, February 9 - Michele Zagaria, a top boss in the Casalesi clan of the Naples Camorra mafia, has been diagnosed with severe depression due to the tough '41-bis' prison regime for Italian mafiosi, one of his lawyers said Friday. "It's really too hard for him," said Angelo Raucci of Zagaria's alleged mental problems brought on by the jail regime.
"As a protest Zagaria has revoked me and my colleague from some trials, obviously for some proceedings in which he has decided not to defend himself any more," said Raucci.
Zagaria, 59, is one of the main bosses of the Casalesi clan from Casal di Principe in the province of Caserta northwest of Naples. He is nicknamed Capastorta, which translates to wrong-head, because of his violent reputation.
He was on the "most wanted list" of the Italian ministry of the interior from 1995 until his arrest in 2011, for Camorra association, murder, extortion, robbery and other crimes.
The Casalesi clan are the ones who have forced anti-mafia writer Roberto Saviano into round-the-clock police protection.

The 41 bis regime prisons in Italy, are they similar to the Supermax prisons in USA? I find it wierd that in Italy where there is so much corruption and the Mafia has such power these prisons exist.

Read about Paolo Di lauro and i must say that he is a fucking badass.. His answer to the tough 41 bis regime was that he himself wanted no contact with his family nor his lawyers just to show the Italian state that he dont give a fuck.

@doggstyle



That's precisely what I mean.... These are usually hard numbers, and assets you can TOUCH. I don't think these numbers are made up. And you see it pretty regularly with these drug clans.

Like the Polverinos from what I understand were a cadet branch of the Nuvolettas, kinda how DiLauro started as a lieutenant for another boss, LaMonica, I think. And they are saying they took a BILLION off of em. These people were the most sophisticated street traffickers I've heard about. They let the COMMUNITY, like regular people invest in cocaine like a STOCK,(!!!!)
and they paid out. So they always had a ready source of capital to make large buys, it's like skimming a union with no Union.

I don't get the less organized thing, honestly.....

(Also, These clans in their prime, I'm not talking about 2018, were running huge retail operations that were serving, ALL OF EUROPE, they came from all over....they were making really big money...)


“The Nuvolettas, in cooperation with the Nettuno and Polverino subclans, also altered narcotraffic investment strategies, creating a popular shareholding system for cocaine. A 2004 Naples DDA investigation revealed that the clan was allowing everyone to participate in the acquisition of cocaine via intermediaries. Retirees, workers, and small businessmen would hand over money to agents, who then invested it in drug lots. If you invested your pension of 600 euros in cocaine, you’d double your money in a month. The only guarantee was the middleman’s word, but the investment proved regularly advantageous. The profit far outweighed the risk, especially compared with what one would have made in bank interest. The only disadvantage was organizational: small investors were often required to stash pats of cocaine—a way to distribute the supply and make it practically impossible to confiscate. By involving the lower-middle class, who were far removed from criminal activity but tired of trusting the banks with their assets, the Camorra clans increased the amount of capital available for investment. The Nuvoletta-Polverino group also metamorphosed retail distribution, making barbers and tanning centers the new cocaine retailers.

The prisoners are kept in isolation for 22 hours a day,  except one hour in the open air in a cage and another one for limited contacts with three others selected prisoners. They have a right to a one-hour-long family visit per month behind a glass partition or, alternatively, to a 10-minute phone-call. Communication with legal advisers is also restricted.

In Holland we have one extra secure prison with a similar regime.

Palumbo was Carlo Lo Russo right hand man in the golden age of the Lo Russos and Antonio Mele the strategist of the clan. Both were released a few months ago after many years of detention and currently considered close to the boss Pasquale Angellotti, also returned free for a long time. The Lo Russo brothers turned state's evidence.

Francesco De Simone arrested in Amsterdam.

https://nltimes.nl/2018/02/09/italian-fugitive-arrested-amsterdam

"lady camorra" Assunta "Pupetta" Maresca attacks Gomorrah

" Gomorra? It is not educational. In front of those terrible scenes, I turned off the television and I did not watch fiction anymore. Today children dress up as protagonists of the series: all this is unheard of "

The judiciary is investigating the Casalesi clan and the alliance with the Albanian mafia for the control of Northern Italy.

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/201...0519225-06fd-4fa4-9e7a-c16d4ef58394.html

FdI candidate probed in Naples graft case

they mean only the province of modena (emilia romagna), not the north as a whole
casalesi are strong in emilia romagna and lazio, in the rest of the north not so wealthy, ndrangheta is by far stronger and also sicilian mafia in certain areas

23 million confiscated from the Casalesi clan in Rome. The Gdf had ascertained the existence of a real joint-venture in the field of slot machines between members of the Casalesi (Iovine group) and Roman organized crime figures (Guarnera group), in turn in contact with members of the Banda della Magliana.

I wonder one thing, does the Iovine family still have power now that Antonio has snithed.. I mean when a boss turns informant dont the whole crew go down in the other bosses eyes?

His cousin Mario Iovine leads the faction.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/ap...th-populist-party-woos-angry-voters.html

In Italy's poorer south, populist party woos angry voters

Drugs from Colombia and the Netherlands directly to Naples, to supply the capital of Naples but also Tuscany and Lazio. This is the criminal network dismantled by the police, on investigations coordinated by the DDA, which led to the arrest of 16 members of a group active in the international traffic of cocaine, hashish and maijuana connected in business dealings with the Camorra clans of the eastern area of ​​Naples. During the investigation, also seized an arsenal with guns and machine guns. Relations with Colombia, Spain and the Netherlands were stable, where agreements were signed for the purchase and transport of drugs in Italy. Once arrived on the national territory, the drugs were destined to feed the squares of Neapolitan drug market.

Question fellas.....

Do they still come from all over Europe to mainland Italy to buy the cheap drugs off the street?

I was always under the impression that the Naples gangs had the biggest and best open air drug markets on the streets of Italy. Combined with the counterfeit markets, giving them a high level of liquidity on the streets. The Sicilians had access to NYC and are the most entrenched in Italian politics, whereas the Calabrians are the biggest in Northern Italy (the financial center) have the best relations with South America ( Colombia) as well as overall controlling the most territory.. ( Canada, Australia, north Italy, Germany....)

I see the three syndicates as having different strengths and weaknesses.

Camorra probably have biggest open air drug market in whole of Europe. In some regions in North Italy , the sicilian mafia is more powerful than 'Ndrangheta,about infiltration into politics i think we can say 'Ndrangheta reached same level as sicilian mafia,both organizations are heavily involved in politics , buying votes etc. For instance Gianni Alemanno the mayor of Rome was involved in buying votes with help of mafia capitale and Mancuso 'Ndrina