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Re: Dutch gangs
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02/08/18 09:47 PM
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Back in 1999 Joca had big problems in Amsterdam,they stole him whole shipment of heroin,he lost around 10 million deutsche marks,he escaped to Bulgaria where Milorad Ulemek Legija set him up to bulgarian police.
But Joca had even bigger problems later with William Vim Holeder(don't know much about that man)According to some sources Joca is even afraid of that man. William Vim Holeder ordered killings of almost all of Joca's associates including his best man Srdjana Miranovica,before Miranovic,Aleksandar Bulatovic was killed in Amsterdam in 2003 and later Mirko Vukmirovic in Spain. In total of 12 Joca's associates were killed.
How i understand its because of Freddy Heineken kidnapping, William Vim Holeder started eliminating everyone who can give any information to police about him being involved in the kidnapping.
According to sources William Vim Holeder clan is strongest in Holland,member of his clan is Luka Bojovic(he is most powerful crime figure in Serbia and one of most powerful in Balkans), also Milos Petrovic who organized killing of Joca's best man Srdjana Miranovica, he was arrested in Holland few years ago.
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Re: Dutch gangs
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02/09/18 07:43 AM
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Holleeder had plans for the liquidation of eight people before he was arrested in 2015. That is what his sister Astrid declared to the police. Among them crime leaders Danny K. and Dino S., crime reporter Peter R. de Vries and his own sister Sonja, as well as the prominent Hells Angel Harrie S.and Maruf M., a Bosnian who was regularly seen with Holleeder between 2000 and 2006. Maruf M. u meant on Maruf Mrzic Paja ? I thought he is close associate of Holleeder. I got interested in this,read a little bit online looks like DIno S. was also close associate of Holleeder , is he afraid someone will rat him to police,so he is eliminating them ? Looks like he is behind a lot of murders , i didn't know he was that brutal , also didn't know u had guys like him over there. Luka Bojovic's clan did murders for Holleeder , Luka Bojovic is leader of Zemunski Klan,back in late 1990's and early 2000's they were most powerful clan Balkans ever had.They also killed prime minister of Serbia in 2003. According to some Maruf Mrzic Paja set up Luka Bojovic in spain and rat him to police. Edit: Can you post here about Holleeder upcoming trial ? For six murders,he is really fu*ked.
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Re: Dutch gangs
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02/09/18 10:45 AM
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Pieter-Jaap Aalbersberg, Chief of Amsterdam's police commission, is worried about the perpetrators of liquidations in the city. 'They are disadvantaged, have little prospects, little conscientiousness. And that is a dangerous mix. We hear amounts between 3,000 and 5,000 euros for a liquidation. ' In contrast to the 80s and 90s, when according to the chief commissioner liquidations were carried out by professional hitmen , it is nowadays mainly young boys from Amsterdam, who are already in action for less than a tenth of the amounts paid to professional hired killers. Because of these low amounts, there are amateurs who work with uncontrolled and brutal violence.
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Re: Dutch gangs
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02/09/18 07:51 PM
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Billy him talking at length is amazing, I never heard this before from a murder suspect. Holleeder said Astrid had a relation with drug boss The Hakkelaar. Is there audio of this or only transcripts? Yeah, the Hakkelaar was the real deal. In the end he couldn't stand Klaas Bruinsma, who he felt looked down on him because he was a Kamper..
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Re: Dutch gangs
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02/09/18 09:33 PM
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I have no idea why media here calls him William, i was about to ask you how common is that name in Holland because its not dutch name...
Anyway as our media reports here when talking about Joca, they say Holleeder's clan is most powerful clan in Holland , is that true or just classic media exaggeration ?
As i read more and more about him, i really got impression his sisters are indeed innocent angels,how deeply his sisters were involved in his business?
So actually it is family members turning on each other to save their own ass from jail,what a great family lol
I know that Milos Petrovic was recorded saying "Kill the poodle" to Holleeder which is nickname they gave to Joca because of his hair. The main hitman of Zemunski Klan,Sretko Kalinic who turned state witness was questioned by dutch police in 2012,they wanted to know everything about Luka Bojovic's business in Holland and his ties to Holleeder.
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Re: Dutch gangs
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02/09/18 10:29 PM
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I have no idea why media here calls him William, i was about to ask you how common is that name in Holland because its not dutch name...
Anyway as our media reports here when talking about Joca, they say Holleeder's clan is most powerful clan in Holland , is that true or just classic media exaggeration ?
As i read more and more about him, i really got impression his sisters are indeed innocent angels,how deeply his sisters were involved in his business?
So actually it is family members turning on each other to save their own ass from jail,what a great family lol
I know that Milos Petrovic was recorded saying "Kill the poodle" to Holleeder which is nickname they gave to Joca because of his hair. The main hitman of Zemunski Klan,Sretko Kalinic who turned state witness was questioned by dutch police in 2012,they wanted to know everything about Luka Bojovic's business in Holland and his ties to Holleeder. Willem is William in english, Joca speaks dutch but the main language in that world is english. I agree it's a family feud, his sister Astrid , a lawyer, is the same as the nose (his nickname) they can manipulate anybody. There was a time Stanley Hillis, Dino Soerel and Holleeder were untouchable. but not anymore. If Joca is coming home he can take it all lol.
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Re: Dutch gangs
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02/20/18 02:25 PM
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What an exaggeration!! If Holland is a Narco State, then what do you call Colombia and Mexico, kinda devalues the term a little bit no? They probably need more money. Every time the cops do these spectaculair statements they're a little short on cash and hope The Hague will pay up..
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Re: Dutch gangs
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02/20/18 08:12 PM
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Tense day in court, Sonja was very emotional sometimes screaming.
The first hours filled with sweet conversations between Willem, Sonja and her children; the last few hours a technical debate broke out about Sonja's money flows.
Now that Sonja and her sister Astrid put their brother in their statements as an unscrupulous beast that terrorized their lives, Holleeder's lawyer Sander Janssen wanted to know how 'thousands' of tapped conversations and messages can be found in the file in which Holleeder, a dear family man it seems, overloaded his sister and, above all, his niece and nephew with gifts for which they always thanked their 'uncle'.
In the afternoon it was mainly about the much-discussed legacy of Cor van Hout. The house in Spain, the prostitution houses in Alkmaar, financed with the ransom of the Heineken kidnapping.
Sonja Holleeder bought off 1.1 million euros for money laundering. It was only recently that she started to tell a new story, which according to her is the complete truth. That change was preceded by months of negotiations with the State.
Lawyer Janssen would like to know what kind of new agreement with the State Sonja has made.. The court determines Friday afternoon whether Sonja should tell about it.
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