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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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Black family Dont blame us for all the incompetence in your community, we are not the one’s constantly making irresponsible, immature decisions. If black politicians and community leaders were more concerned with doing and saying the right thing for their constituents and less concerned with being “ entertainers†, perhaps some progress would be made.
RollinBones You make some great points, however, most childrens view on blacks come from the way they are portrayed in the news which shows the extremely high level of violence in their community. They also form their views by simply encountering how blacks live in their own neighborhoods and the way they conduct themselves in public. It doesnt take a 12 year old with a genious IQ to understand the level of incompetence in the black community. Blacks also tend to glorify their way of life on tv shows that young children watch. You dont need a racist parent to indoctrinate their children, blacks are pro’s at doing that on their own.
Im sure shows like the cosby show and the fresh prince were mostly viewd by whites because both shows depicted stable, traditional families. If whites are so racist, why did they embrace both shows? Because most whites related to those shows, thays why. Both shows depicted intelligent blacks usuing proper english and leading responsible lives. Unfortunately, many blacks call intelligent speaks blacks who live responsible lives “ sell outsâ€.. wtf !!!! Apparantly its a badge of honor to use incoherent grammar, rob, sell drugs, carry guns, and have babies without being married and not being able to support a new born child. I just think the american people are sick and tired of all the excuses.
you do realize crime is an economic factor? i went to highschool out of district, literally u can cross one street and all the black kids acted totally different one side of the street was junior criminals, the other side of the street was future white collar workers, mind u everybody was black crime occurs because lack of oppurtunities (SCHOOLS, jobs, SCHOOLS, good healthcare, jobs, etc) you've probably never seen a town or neighborhood of 50k people that literally don't have a grocery store, and i'm not talking about a "food and liqour" joint
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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Of course buddy, we talk all the time. I can't dunk or sing like them, not even close. But you don't hear me putting blame on black folks for stealing all the talent. It's just the way thing are.
No need for anymore name calling, I haven't insulted you once. So lets keep it friendly, okey?
You're right, no need for that. However I'm simply trying to point out that whether you know it or not, you possess racist tendencies. There are plenty of black people that are not jobless, lazy, criminals, etc. And there are plenty of white people that are. It depends on the person, not the race. Most of it has to do with poverty, a state that black people were intentionally kept in for generations. We're talking about a system of racism that didn't even let black people vote in many states until relatively very recently. That's something the Irish, Italians, Jews, Polish, etc. never had to deal with, along with many other prejudices simply because they were white. Take for instance your personal views on black people, that they're lazy, jobless, etc. You're gonna pass those views down to your own children who will in turn grow up viewing black people as inferior. You don't think that happens among millions of families in America? It's why racism is ingrained in our society. You can spend all day reading vile comments about black people from the same people who swear they're not racist. They can't see the forest through the trees so to speak. rollin if the Jews havent been kicked around, looked like inferior, locked up in camps for a 1000 years I dont know who has and look where they gotten to. So please dont try to tell me how wrong I am and look how a bad exuse you are making for blacks. Thish one you are def wrong buddy. I'm wrong for believing that people are fundamentally equal?
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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Black family Dont blame us for all the incompetence in your community, we are not the one’s constantly making irresponsible, immature decisions. If black politicians and community leaders were more concerned with doing and saying the right thing for their constituents and less concerned with being “ entertainers†, perhaps some progress would be made.
RollinBones You make some great points, however, most childrens view on blacks come from the way they are portrayed in the news which shows the extremely high level of violence in their community. They also form their views by simply encountering how blacks live in their own neighborhoods and the way they conduct themselves in public. It doesnt take a 12 year old with a genious IQ to understand the level of incompetence in the black community. Blacks also tend to glorify their way of life on tv shows that young children watch. You dont need a racist parent to indoctrinate their children, blacks are pro’s at doing that on their own.
Im sure shows like the cosby show and the fresh prince were mostly viewd by whites because both shows depicted stable, traditional families. If whites are so racist, why did they embrace both shows? Because most whites related to those shows, thays why. Both shows depicted intelligent blacks usuing proper english and leading responsible lives. Unfortunately, many blacks call intelligent speaks blacks who live responsible lives “ sell outsâ€.. wtf !!!! Apparantly its a badge of honor to use incoherent grammar, rob, sell drugs, carry guns, and have babies without being married and not being able to support a new born child. I just think the american people are sick and tired of all the excuses.
you do realize crime is an economic factor? i went to highschool out of district, literally u can cross one street and all the black kids acted totally different one side of the street was junior criminals, the other side of the street was future white collar workers, mind u everybody was black crime occurs because lack of oppurtunities (SCHOOLS, jobs, SCHOOLS, good healthcare, jobs, etc) you've probably never seen a town or neighborhood of 50k people that literally don't have a grocery store, and i'm not talking about a "food and liqour" joint Cry me a river cookcounty. They can find jobs, they are out there. So they are poor and cant take care of themselves but yet they have bundles of out of wedlock kids????
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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Black family Dont blame us for all the incompetence in your community, we are not the one’s constantly making irresponsible, immature decisions. If black politicians and community leaders were more concerned with doing and saying the right thing for their constituents and less concerned with being “ entertainers†, perhaps some progress would be made.
RollinBones You make some great points, however, most childrens view on blacks come from the way they are portrayed in the news which shows the extremely high level of violence in their community. They also form their views by simply encountering how blacks live in their own neighborhoods and the way they conduct themselves in public. It doesnt take a 12 year old with a genious IQ to understand the level of incompetence in the black community. Blacks also tend to glorify their way of life on tv shows that young children watch. You dont need a racist parent to indoctrinate their children, blacks are pro’s at doing that on their own.
Im sure shows like the cosby show and the fresh prince were mostly viewd by whites because both shows depicted stable, traditional families. If whites are so racist, why did they embrace both shows? Because most whites related to those shows, thays why. Both shows depicted intelligent blacks usuing proper english and leading responsible lives. Unfortunately, many blacks call intelligent speaks blacks who live responsible lives “ sell outsâ€.. wtf !!!! Apparantly its a badge of honor to use incoherent grammar, rob, sell drugs, carry guns, and have babies without being married and not being able to support a new born child. I just think the american people are sick and tired of all the excuses.
you do realize crime is an economic factor? i went to highschool out of district, literally u can cross one street and all the black kids acted totally different one side of the street was junior criminals, the other side of the street was future white collar workers, mind u everybody was black crime occurs because lack of oppurtunities (SCHOOLS, jobs, SCHOOLS, good healthcare, jobs, etc) you've probably never seen a town or neighborhood of 50k people that literally don't have a grocery store, and i'm not talking about a "food and liqour" joint Cry me a river cookcounty. They can find jobs, they are out there. So they are poor and cant take care of themselves but yet they have bundles of out of wedlock kids???? So you avoid the truth just so u can spew some bullshit that u heard somebody else say? People getting married aint a prerequisite for life Not too mention the divorce rate gets higher as time passes
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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Of course buddy, we talk all the time. I can't dunk or sing like them, not even close. But you don't hear me putting blame on black folks for stealing all the talent. It's just the way thing are.
No need for anymore name calling, I haven't insulted you once. So lets keep it friendly, okey?
You're right, no need for that. However I'm simply trying to point out that whether you know it or not, you possess racist tendencies. There are plenty of black people that are not jobless, lazy, criminals, etc. And there are plenty of white people that are. It depends on the person, not the race. Most of it has to do with poverty, a state that black people were intentionally kept in for generations. We're talking about a system of racism that didn't even let black people vote in many states until relatively very recently. That's something the Irish, Italians, Jews, Polish, etc. never had to deal with, along with many other prejudices simply because they were white. Take for instance your personal views on black people, that they're lazy, jobless, etc. You're gonna pass those views down to your own children who will in turn grow up viewing black people as inferior. You don't think that happens among millions of families in America? It's why racism is ingrained in our society. You can spend all day reading vile comments about black people from the same people who swear they're not racist. They can't see the forest through the trees so to speak. rollin if the Jews havent been kicked around, looked like inferior, locked up in camps for a 1000 years I dont know who has and look where they gotten to. So please dont try to tell me how wrong I am and look how a bad exuse you are making for blacks. Thish one you are def wrong buddy. I'm wrong for believing that people are fundamentally equal? No you were wrong in the previous post, stating that only blacks have it tough, when in fact every jew has been though a 1000 times worse through history than blacks, not to mention other peoples So your argument is just an exuse.
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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Trumps children actually have a father and they know who their father is and they werent born out of wedlock.
Typical black family- a woman has 3-4 kids with 3-4 different men and never marries. This is usually done at a very young age. The kids dont know who the hell their father is. Their siblings come from different fathers. The family has no stability, no discipline. No father and no family unit that dishes out consequences when they poorly behave.. no consequences!!! No one at home to make sure the kids are behaving in school, doing their homework, and not going out on school nights at 14 years old...the children think this is normal and repeat the same selfish, irresponsible behavior and become poor themselves. What happens, they have out of wedlock kids themselves and usually before they are old enough to legally drink. How the hell does a kid have a shot with that kind of ignorant behavior....?? Do they blame themselves for their irresponsible choices in life?? No, they blame racism...how sad!!! The excuses are endless...
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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N *SIGH*How hard is it to comprehend that Out-of-Wedlock doesn't equate to "100%" absentee fathers? In general our country ( The USA) have more than 1/3 of children born out of wedlock. Just look at the numbers people. No it doesnt but the majority of kids born out of wedlock dont know their fathers or ever see him. The father usually has other kids with other woman. The mothers usually have other kids with other men as well. Look at some pro athletes for gods sakes. Statistics clearly show Children of unmarried mothers of any race are much more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock. Blacks are at almost 75% ... hispanics are second at 53%..
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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I'd be willing to bet that Catholics have among the highest percentage of out-of-wedlock births compared to other religions, including atheists. And, it's for the same reason as black out of wedlock births, many of whom are also Catholic. The condemnation of contraception and abortion. Abortion is a very divisive issue, obviously, but contraception should be a no brainer. Any church or institution interfering with the availability of contraception to teenagers is part of the problem. It's also been proven that high schools with sex ed have less pregnancies than those without it. Of course, there are other factors. Schools with sex ed are typically well funded, in middle class areas, where as inner city schools are always put on the chopping block first, and sex ed would typically be one of the first things to go. The black church, very conservative on this issue, only exasperates this by actively lobbying against sex ed. The church is part of the problem. There's just no way around it. We're using 1950's methods to address a 21st century problem, and the results are disastrous.
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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Glad someone brought up Boyz N The Hood.
Here's some other quotes by Furious Styles.
"Why is it that there is a gun shop on almost every corner in this community? ....I'll tell you why. For the same reason that there is a liquor store on almost every corner in the black community. Why? They want us to kill ourselves."
(to a black cop) "Something wrong? Yeah. It's just too bad you don't know what it is, 'brother'."
"I know every time you turn on the TV thats what you see, Black People, sellin the rock, pushin the rock, yeah I know. But that wasn't a problem as long as it was here...It wasn't a problem until it was in Iowa on Wall Street where there are hardly any black people."
"Well, how you think the crack rock gets into the country? We don't own any planes. We don't own no ships. We are not the people who are flyin' and floatin' that shit in here."
"It's called gentrification. It's what happens when the property value of a certain area is brought down. You listening? You bring the property value down. They can buy the land at a lower price, then they move all the people out, raise the property value and sell it at a profit. Now, what we need to do is keep everything in our neighborhood, everything - black. Black owned with black money. Just like the Jews, the Italians, the Mexicans and the Koreans do."
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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No you were wrong in the previous post, stating that only blacks have it tough, when in fact every jew has been though a 1000 times worse through history than blacks, not to mention other peoples So your argument is just an exuse.
Please quote where I said "only blacks have it tough". That's not what I said nor do I believe that's true so I'm not sure where you picked that up. Honestly I'm a little disappointed that the only thing you have taken away from our conversation is that I think "only black people have it tough". Also, I'm talking about America here, so 1000 years ago is irrelevant. I know Jewish people have been through a lot, but I was referring to the fact that they had an easier time assimilating in America because at the end of the day, they are white and could pass in mainstream society. Many Jews changed their names and you wouldn't be able to tell them from someone who's family came on the Mayflower. Black people face a racial stigma that can't be avoided in America. That's the truth no matter which way you slice it.
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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N *SIGH*How hard is it to comprehend that Out-of-Wedlock doesn't equate to "100%" absentee fathers? In general our country ( The USA) have more than 1/3 of children born out of wedlock. Just look at the numbers people. No it doesnt but the majority of kids born out of wedlock dont know their fathers or ever see him. The father usually has other kids with other woman. The mothers usually have other kids with other men as well. Look at some pro athletes for gods sakes. Statistics clearly show Children of unmarried mothers of any race are much more likely to perform poorly in school, go to prison, use drugs, be poor as adults, and have their own children out of wedlock. Blacks are at almost 75% ... hispanics are second at 53%.. Again. That narrative have been push for decades when in fact it's a small percentage that absolutely don't know nor meet their fathers. Half siblings aren't nothing exclusive to the Black community and MEN in general have multiple sex partners in their lifetime. Looking at ( Black since I know your not talking about non black) pro athletes is a poor example and bias selection. Statistics also goes in-depth into breakdown percentages and also includes core numbers too. Another factor about stats is that it's fluid in nature and not set in stone. There's as much troublesome children from 2 parents ( regardless if married or unmarried) homes. But I guess the next response still will be look at the percentages and rates for the umpthteen time huh.
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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You are again being less than truthful here. Of course there are troubled children from married couples. However, the percentage of troubled children from out of wedlock births FAR exceed those from a traditional family on a relative basis..its not even close. Lets look at the homicides in chicago. I would bet that well over 90% of those perps are out of wedlock kids, no doubt. They are also black males: the majority. . why is that? No discipline and no consequences in the household. That is LAZY, irresponsible parenting. A single mom just cant control her kids nearly as well as a traditional family unit. Thats a fact. The simple fact is young black males are running wild in our streets and commiting violent crime. That is undisputed. Again, there are violent criminals from traditional families ( black and white) but not even close to those out of wedlock black males. its an epidemic and keeps getting worse because no one in the black community wants to stop it, it takes too much work. Its so much easier to just make excuses. To add insult to injury, these single moms give their children totally absurd names that have absolutely no meaning... Kevar, LeVar, LeVan, Revan, Trevan, trevar, deAngelo, devanti, Lebron.. what the fuck!!! at least give them an african name that has meaning, give the kid a sense of identity and meaning for gods sakes.... what is up with these silly names? It makes them sound ignorant and they arent taken seriously. I just dont get it and never will. Dont even get me started on the made up girls names... It is rather amusing when they change their names to muslim sounding names but never step foot in a mosque.
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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You are again being less than truthful here. Of course there are troubled children from married couples. However, the percentage of troubled children from out of wedlock births FAR exceed those from a traditional family on a relative basis..its not even close. Lets look at the homicides in chicago. I would bet that well over 90% of those perps are out of wedlock kids, no doubt. They are also black males: the majority. . why is that? No discipline and no consequences in the household. That is LAZY, irresponsible parenting. A single mom just cant control her kids nearly as well as a traditional family unit. Thats a fact. The simple fact is young black males are running wild in our streets and commiting violent crime. That is undisputed. Again, there are violent criminals from traditional families ( black and white) but not even close to those out of wedlock black males. its an epidemic and keeps getting worse because no one in the black community wants to stop it, it takes too much work. Its so much easier to just make excuses. To add insult to injury, these single moms give their children totally absurd names that have absolutely no meaning... Kevar, LeVar, LeVan, Revan, Trevan, trevar, deAngelo, devanti, Lebron.. what the fuck!!! at least give them an african name that has meaning, give the kid a sense of identity and meaning for gods sakes.... what is up with these silly names? It makes them sound ignorant and they arent taken seriously. I just dont get it and never will. Dont even get me started on the made up girls names... It is rather amusing when they change their names to muslim sounding names but never step foot in a mosque. there are more mexicans in chicago than black people now-a-days you're on a mafia crime forum talking disparaging about black crime, that's extremely hypocritical american names don't mean a good goddamn thing you got so enraged that you're not even sticking to the subject, grow some balls and just say that u hate black people
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Re: Myth Of Absent Black Fathers
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I'd be willing to bet that Catholics have among the highest percentage of out-of-wedlock births compared to other religions, including atheists. And, it's for the same reason as black out of wedlock births, many of whom are also Catholic. The condemnation of contraception and abortion. Abortion is a very divisive issue, obviously, but contraception should be a no brainer. Any church or institution interfering with the availability of contraception to teenagers is part of the problem. It's also been proven that high schools with sex ed have less pregnancies than those without it. Of course, there are other factors. Schools with sex ed are typically well funded, in middle class areas, where as inner city schools are always put on the chopping block first, and sex ed would typically be one of the first things to go. The black church, very conservative on this issue, only exasperates this by actively lobbying against sex ed. The church is part of the problem. There's just no way around it. We're using 1950's methods to address a 21st century problem, and the results are disastrous. Oh geez Oak, any PRACTICING GOOD Catholic would not have sex in the 1rst place b-4 marriage if they follow what they are taught in Parochial School, at least back in my day, I myself went 2 Catholic school 4 the 1rst 8 yrs. & do occasionally attend church, but even though I was raised in a strict Irish Catholic family,I don't consider myself a fiercely devoted Catholic,& I am ashamed 2 admit I was party to 3 abortions,because as a youth who headed down a wrong path,& made some mistakes,I figured if I can't take care of myself, how am I able 2 take care of a child. Selfish young thinking, & also because I was also VERY promiscuous & careless in my teens & 20s & the fact that I was in a heavy metal band in the 80s when that genre was at it's height did not help. U cant really blame the church, blame the INDIVIDUAL...and I know a million Catholics & can't think of 1 who had a child out of wedlock.
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