This is going to be base on estimates.

LKN
GDN
VLN
BPSN
SDN

I'll add more later.

ill say this much in new england which basically is a 2 3 hour drive to the bronx from any small city that includes boston. the l.k.s try to form structure like a boss of the state and meetings with chapters from all the small citys in ne they always get scooped up in a drug indictment.

i would guess they been here since the late 80tys early 90tys. slowly creeping up in all the pueto rican communitys. so they have a 30 yr presence around here. in chicago what have they been around 50?

The age old of 70.

What is SDN ?

Satan Disciples Nation

Do any of these organizations have a known hierarchy?
Who is the enca of new York Latin Kings?

@ bigfella
Most do and I don't know who's the Inca until the feds start knocking.

Latin Kings have 50,000 members.
Gangster Disciples around 40,000.
Vice Lords around 35,000.

Between 18th st, Sur-13, or SD as the next largest groups. Ranging somewhere around 20,000 or so.

surenos are the biggest,and the only active gang left in the U.S. there are 50,000 surenos in los angeles,alone. the other gangs you listed are defunct,and the membership numbers outdated

@americanfyeah
I don't think you realize but you're on my block list for insufficient information.

Are you being serious?

50,000....meh. I'd probably cut that number in half, and even still you have a bloated estimate. A lot of Sureno gangs that people list are defunct or down to a handful of members, too.

And, I'll assume there's a typo somewhere in your argument that Surenos are the only gang left in the states.

It’s weird to call “Surenos” a gang. A bunch of gangs that fall under the Sureno umbrella in jail and prison, yes. In prison I suppose you can consider them an organization. In the streets, they’re not a gang.

this has gotta be a an elaborate long term troll act

I would like more input from you on the Surenos banner as well. It seems like most of the members of those barrios that branch out to other cities just carries that banner. In my state I came across a few tags by them in Hattiesburg. It simply displayed ' Sur 13 ' with the 3 dots. Hispanic community in Hattiesburg is around 1.3K but nothing significant from Sur 13 activities. In Memphis they're the largest or one of the largest hispanic gang in the city yet mainly you see their taggings. Banging wise it's little of that. Nashville is a bit similar and Atlanta have higher activity. Generally it's not a specific L.A barrio being claim just the banner.

Yeah I think it’s just different when you get further and further away from LA. I think it’s combination of just wannabes trying to replicate LA/California gang culture and sometimes people from California spreading it around. Also could be that the Hispanic population isn’t that big in some places to they just band together under a generic Sur 13 umbrella. But it’s very generic to write “Sur 13” on the wall. It would be like writting “Crips” with no set name by it, and maybe even more generic than that. Here in California if you see a random Sur13 tag it’s almost always writen by little kids/wannabes, not real gang members. Although one exception is that there is an actual gang in LA called Varrio Sur 13 located in Hollywood and another clique in north east LA which could make it more confusing.

The bloods are probably the biggest gang nowadays

@ SoCalGang

Alright then what about 18th St?

Nope. Speaking on individual groups not umbrellas.

18th st would consider itself a gang, very similar to MS13. In reality they mostly aren’t, with so many cliques spread around, it’s like an alliance of smaller gangs calling themselves 18 street. At least that’s how I see it. Some cliques having stronger ties with each other than others and some cliques being more isolated from the rest. I suppose you can consider them one of the largest gangs in the country still, but IMO they been on a heavy decline since the mid 2000s.

Besides the deportation of some of their membership , what else is contributing to their decline? As much as presence the LE says they have haven, I doubt their membership was ever in that many states.

Hard to say for certain, but since LA is home base, and because they stopped expanding in LA, maybe that’s why they aren’t expanding elsewhere anymore. I really don’t know what there activity is around the country, I just know in the 90s they had lots of media attention and now MS 13 is in the spot light. 1990s 18st was all about recruiting wherever they can, but at some point they lost that popularity and became too hated. Their reputation was that they recruit everybody and anybody, qauntity over quality. Plus most LA hoods have declined since the 90’s and 18st is no exception. They’re still there of course but their “golden years” have passed.

18th street was the big story in the '90s because they were building the Staples Center there. Once the arena went up, 18 st. disappeared from the news.

Chicago is basically every man for himself now so they're really aint too many cohessive mobs anymore

But its bloods everywhere now, especially after it became cool to be a blood

exactly! all of the old gangs in Chicago have disbanded. there are no gd's,lk's,vice lords,etc anymoar. those gangs are long gone. same with the bloods and crips in L.A. which have gone extinct. and fyi, the bloods are no longer considered a gang. the bloods have morphed into something else,they are a hip hop/pop music subculture. the police don't classify bloods as a gang anymoar,they don't control any territory in LA.you can't name one former blood or crip neighborhood in LA that doesn't have surenos in it or that hasn't been taken over by them. the surenos are the last gang left,they have all of the elements of a real gang,surenos are territorial,mark their neighborhood with graffiti,sell dr*gs,extort,shoot rivals,etc. the bloods don't do any of that anymoar.bloods and crips are best friends now,their rivalry is over.they had to stop gangbanging,and join forces because the surenos are too pwoerful. bloods and crips are moar interested in pursuing rap careers,they have become inactive. truthfuly they are afraid of the surenos.

Chicago Latino mobs are cohesive generally speaking and not all the Black mobs are that fractured like the GDs. Additional this is nationwide I'm speaking on so everybody aren't like Chicago. Naw , Bloods wave is just that a trend. At the end of day Chi mobs are deeper. Nobody here in the Sipp about that SuWu trend except a few legit and little more offbrands.

Which barrios was the deepest by your opinion now and back during the peak years of banging?

I’m sure everyone would agree that 18th street was by far the biggest gang in LA in the 1990’s. They had already been big by the 1970s but by the 90’s they were all over LA. With that attention though, law enforcement also cracked down on them pretty hard and they were one of the earlier gangs to deal with a gang injunction so that also contributed to their decline.

As far as who’s deepest now.. ironically it might be 18 st still. Some of their major cliques are barely holding on due to their location and gentrification (Hollywood Gangsters) for example or their downtown hood(7th & Broadway). But for the most part they still have their hoods in the Westside, south central, the SouthSide South Gate area, the east side In north east LA and the valley so I’d assume they still have numbers but spread around. I just can’t think of any other gang with that many established neighborhoods. Whereas Florencia has numbers too but almost all concentrated in one part of the city.