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Re: White gangs that aren't racist gang
[Re: Liggio]
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01/21/23 04:44 AM
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Mostly, all prison gangs are racist, but only the white prison gangs are called so. Prison, especially in the south and out west (I think the East Coast is different) is an extremely racist, segregated place. That's just how it is. Once again, you are correct Liggio. ALL prison gangs are racist in nature. Especially by the very fact that prisons, ALL prisons, are segregated along racial divides. Blacks stay with their own. So do Hispanics. And Whites, who are ALWAYS tremendously outnumbered in any prison setting, do the same. If only out of a self-survival mode. There is strength in numbers, and although outnumbered 30-40 to 1, if you get a gang "tip" of 20-30 like minded individuals together who watch one another's back, that's powerful. Inmates are generally predatory by nature, and will pounce on anybody who is singled out as a sucker or as a mark. So everyone needs to have a few friends in there. And although state joints are the worst and this problem is more pervasive in local and state lockups, the federal system isn't that much better, especially maximum security joints like Atlanta, Lewisburg, Leavenworth, etc.
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Re: White gangs that aren't racist gang
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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01/21/23 06:07 AM
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Definitely. The prison system in especially California and Texas is an extremely segregated place. An organization like the Aryan Brotherhood was born out of the fact that unaffiliated white inmates needed strength in numbers to protect themselves from the much larger Black and Hispanic organizations that were already established.
Nevertheless, when you talk to people who have done time in for instance the California prison system, it also becomes clear that it's not always racial. For instance, inmates that are members of outlaw motorcycle groups (who tend to have both white and Hispanic members) mostly hang out with each other instead of joining other prison gangs. Within the Hispanic group you have the clear division between the Southerners controlled by the Mexican Mafia - which are mostly members of Mexican gangs from the Los Angeles area as well as members of Salvadoran gangs - and the Northerners controlled by the Nuestra Familia - which are mostly members of Mexican gangs from Northern California. However, for some reason members of a gang like Armenian Power (Armenians being not a Hispanic, but rather a more Middle Eastern looking ethnic group) also tend to stick with the Hispanic Southerners. Within the African American group there is a ton of division. You have Crips and Bloods that all come from different rival sets. You have black inmates from the Bay Area that don't uphold any Crip or Blood colors. All of these groups don't necessarily stick together. Sure, you got the Black Guerrilla Family (which has a substantial following among inmates from the Bay Area) but they have not been as successful in governing all black inmates like the Aryan Brotherhood did for unaffiliated white inmates, like the Mexican Mafia did for Sureño inmates and like the Nuestra Familia did for Norteño inmates. The you also have the "Others", which is just a catch-all name for Asian and Pacific Islander inmates that come from a variety of gangs - mostly Vietnamese, Chinese, Cambodian, Hmong, Korean and Samoan. In spite of the ethnic differences they also seem to somewhat band together.
Important to note is that ALL of these groups do politic together. Despite the clear segregation, "racial wars" are basically non-existent and the vast majority of the violence being done by prison gangs is the result of these organizations cleaning up their OWN yard. A "peckerwood" misbehaves? A white shot caller is gonna ask to take care of him. A member of a Norteño set misbehaves? A Nuestra Familia shot caller is gonna get him done.
There are also internal politics in check. A lot of the Los Angeles area black gangs also have a ton of members that actually have Belizean ancestry instead of US-Born African American ancestry: Rollin' 30's Crips, Rollin' 40's Crips, Black P Stones Jungles and Fruit Town Brims for instance are notorious for having a disproportionate amount of Belizean members. And despite these gangs all having rival sets, members of Belizean ancestry often politic to make sure they don't have to whack each other.
So I 100% agree that all of the prison groups, especially in California and Texas, are racial...but there are also a lot of nuances.
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Re: White gangs that aren't racist gang
[Re: TheKillingJoke]
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01/21/23 06:47 AM
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Definitely. The prison system in especially California and Texas is an extremely segregated place. An organization like the Aryan Brotherhood was born out of the fact that unaffiliated white inmates needed strength in numbers to protect themselves from the much larger Black and Hispanic organizations that were already established.
Nevertheless, when you talk to people who have done time in for instance the California prison system, it also becomes clear that it's not always racial. For instance, inmates that are members of outlaw motorcycle groups (who tend to have both white and Hispanic members) mostly hang out with each other instead of joining other prison gangs. Within the Hispanic group you have the clear division between the Southerners controlled by the Mexican Mafia - which are mostly members of Mexican gangs from the Los Angeles area as well as members of Salvadoran gangs - and the Northerners controlled by the Nuestra Familia - which are mostly members of Mexican gangs from Northern California. However, for some reason members of a gang like Armenian Power (Armenians being not a Hispanic, but rather a more Middle Eastern looking ethnic group) also tend to stick with the Hispanic Southerners. Within the African American group there is a ton of division. You have Crips and Bloods that all come from different rival sets. You have black inmates from the Bay Area that don't uphold any Crip or Blood colors. All of these groups don't necessarily stick together. Sure, you got the Black Guerrilla Family (which has a substantial following among inmates from the Bay Area) but they have not been as successful in governing all black inmates like the Aryan Brotherhood did for unaffiliated white inmates, like the Mexican Mafia did for Sureño inmates and like the Nuestra Familia did for Norteño inmates. The you also have the "Others", which is just a catch-all name for Asian and Pacific Islander inmates that come from a variety of gangs - mostly Vietnamese, Chinese, Cambodian, Hmong, Korean and Samoan. In spite of the ethnic differences they also seem to somewhat band together.
Important to note is that ALL of these groups do politic together. Despite the clear segregation, "racial wars" are basically non-existent and the vast majority of the violence being done by prison gangs is the result of these organizations cleaning up their OWN yard. A "peckerwood" misbehaves? A white shot caller is gonna ask to take care of him. A member of a Norteño set misbehaves? A Nuestra Familia shot caller is gonna get him done.
There are also internal politics in check. A lot of the Los Angeles area black gangs also have a ton of members that actually have Belizean ancestry instead of US-Born African American ancestry: Rollin' 30's Crips, Rollin' 40's Crips, Black P Stones Jungles and Fruit Town Brims for instance are notorious for having a disproportionate amount of Belizean members. And despite these gangs all having rival sets, members of Belizean ancestry often politic to make sure they don't have to whack each other.
So I 100% agree that all of the prison groups, especially in California and Texas, are racial...but there are also a lot of nuances. You make a good point, and I completely agree with you. Within these obvious ethnicities and races, they all have their own "sub-divisions," for lack of a better word.
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Re: White gangs that aren't racist gang
[Re: furio_from_naples]
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04/03/23 03:04 PM
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sonnyc
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@Furio I don't know how many times I have name drop them but here: Simon City Royals C-Notes 12 st Players Gaylord Insane Popes Insane Dueces. Many Chicago Latino gangs have a sizeable white membership
All of this gang apart maybe c-notes are compost of latinos/black and whit men. I asked a gang comosted of all whites. black family,I know that you posted this names but what asked is different; Flushing thanks for answer. In italy are 70 y that fight fascist against comunists. Incorrect. The Gaylords still are, and always were a majority white club. There were definitely hispanic members back in the day, but never close to a majority.
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