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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: m2w] #937427
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Originally Posted by m2w
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Thank you for answering the question. I was curious about that ans seems this new revalation that there a hierarchical group seems rather vague. Also, It's CRIPs not crypts and yes some are connected to each other through family and business ties. You and many on here are just not aware of it.
Like i said, certain groups have more connections then others.


that's what italian police said after the operation 'crimine', ndrangheta is a big single hierarchical criminal group
i doubt honestly that crips and bloods in the states are even close to it. they are just gangs under a flag but non connected eachother if not sporadically
nigerian mafia yes, it's like the italian mafia

Then do you think LCn is a single crime organization? Because they all have connection with each other and they have a ruling committe

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Originally Posted by m2w
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Thank you for answering the question. I was curious about that ans seems this new revalation that there a hierarchical group seems rather vague. Also, It's CRIPs not crypts and yes some are connected to each other through family and business ties. You and many on here are just not aware of it.
Like i said, certain groups have more connections then others.


that's what italian police said after the operation 'crimine', ndrangheta is a big single hierarchical criminal group
i doubt honestly that crips and bloods in the states are even close to it. they are just gangs under a flag but non connected eachother if not sporadically
nigerian mafia yes, it's like the italian mafia


Operation Crimine shows there's a hierarchical structure but still have rivalry between ndrina clans. So the structure is more to the ndrina individual .

Again, Certain Crips/Bloods sets have a strong connections and those cliques visit the HQ regular and pay dues. You simply just don't know this.


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the fact that there are rivalry between some ndrangheta families it doesn't mean they are not a single group
certain crips/bloods may have sporadic connections. but they are not comparable to ndrangheta where there are always meetings of bosses and there are clear ranks and structures

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Then do you think LCn is a single crime organization? Because they all have connection with each other and they have a ruling committe


yes, of course both sicilian mafia and lcn are single big criminal groups

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Originally Posted by m2w
the fact that there are rivalry between some ndrangheta families it doesn't mean they are not a single group
certain crips/bloods may have sporadic connections. but they are not comparable to ndrangheta where there are always meetings of bosses and there are clear ranks and structures


I didn't state that Crips/Bloods are comparable just similar type of Association. It's not sporadic it's regular.
LCN isn't a single organization.


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LCN isn't a single organization.


lcn is a single organization divided into families, what do you exactly mean for single criminal group?
only who is under 1 boss? probably sicilian mafia under riina was the only in history

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Just because there are feuds/rivalry between ndrinas doesn't mean they are not single organization.

You can have feuds/rivalry between crews in Gambino Crime Family for example,that doesn't mean they are not single organization

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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Revis_Knicks] #937463
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@m2w & Strax

Why do most L.E describe LCN as an Association or Federation instead as 1 single organization? Read the FBI reports.


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Originally Posted by BlackFamily
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Why do most L.E describe LCN as an Association or Federation instead as 1 single organization? Read the FBI reports.


What do you consider a single organization ? U are making no sense


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Strax] #937477
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Originally Posted by Strax
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Why do most L.E describe LCN as an Association or Federation instead as 1 single organization? Read the FBI reports.


What do you consider a single organization ? U are making no sense


Single Organizations with/without chapters,branches, & crews.
Example: Wheels Of Soul, La Eme, 14K Traids

Umbrella, Federation, Association, Collectives
Ex: Surenos, Jamaican Massive/Posse, Yakuza

What's so hard for you to understand the difference?


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Revis_Knicks] #937480
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Would you consider the Camorra one single organization based on their structure?

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http://fortune.com/2014/09/14/biggest-organized-crime-groups-in-the-world/
Old article, but was there any validity to these rankings at this time?

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Single Organizations with/without chapters,branches, & crews.
Example: Wheels Of Soul, La Eme, 14K Traids


14k has many subgroups, wheels of soul many chapters, la eme is mostly a prison gang
they are not under 1 single boss
cosa nostra is a single big criminal group with rituals and ranks, when fbi said it is not? it said it is divided into families but ruled by a commission of bosses

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
Would you consider the Camorra one single organization based on their structure?


Although less structured than its Sicilian counterpart, Cosa Nostra, it is an organization. After the Second World War the Camorra changed enormously. The obligatory stay in Naples by Lucky Luciano caused an increase in the local support of the organization. This led to the inclusion of rural Camorists in the large international illegal traffic. However, in this phase the Camorra did not have a concentration of power at the top, which would only occur in the coming periods.
The soldiers of the Camorra are real officials of crime. They receive a decent monthly wage. There is also a system of social security, where the soldiers and their relatives are financially assisted in case of illness or imprisonment. The Camorra is nestled in all the Neapolitan communities. The gangs have mastered the local authorities. They control all public expenditures. In these municipalities, tenders are primarily allocated to companies of the Camorra. A notable difference with Cosa Nostra is that women play a more important, often leading role.

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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Revis_Knicks] #937493
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Vito Genovese also organized a huge black market during the Second World War.....

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Originally Posted by BlackFamily

Single Organizations with/without chapters,branches, & crews.
Example: Wheels Of Soul, La Eme, 14K Traids



14k Triads are divided into 30 sub groups,every sub group has it own leader and they are still considered single organization like 'Ndrangheta,Cosa Nostra etc.


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Vito Genovese also organized a huge black market during the Second World War.....


True and after the war the Genovese family has been the connection between LCN and Camorra, like Antonio and Michele Miranda the brothers from San Giuseppe Vesuviano.


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: m2w] #937523
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Originally Posted by m2w
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Single Organizations with/without chapters,branches, & crews.
Example: Wheels Of Soul, La Eme, 14K Traids


14k has many subgroups, wheels of soul many chapters, la eme is mostly a prison gang
they are not under 1 single boss
cosa nostra is a single big criminal group with rituals and ranks, when fbi said it is not? it said it is divided into families but ruled by a commission of bosses


Note: I stated with branches, chapters, or none.
Wheels of Soul literally have a mother chapter President. 14K is a organaztion with branches, La Eme is a single organzation with no sub-groups therefore a committee in place.
LCN commission was in place to settle disputes and occasional pool in resources. Every boss managed their own syndicate autonomously. It's been stated over and over LCN isn't a monolithic organization.


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Strax] #937524
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Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by BlackFamily

Single Organizations with/without chapters,branches, & crews.
Example: Wheels Of Soul, La Eme, 14K Traids



14k Triads are divided into 30 sub groups,every sub group has it own leader and they are still considered single organization like 'Ndrangheta,Cosa Nostra etc.



Yes you got it for 14K Triads is single organization with many sub groups aka branches/factions/crews. Triads is the Umbrella or Association.
Corleone clan is the single organization. Sicilian Cosa Nostra/Mafia is the Association or Society.

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No point in discussing this further,since you are not getting it at all.Same pointless discussion i had with you few years ago when you claimed nigerian mafia is in top 3 most powerful organized crime groups.


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Yes you got it for 14K Triads is single organization with many sub groups aka branches/factions/crews. Triads is the Umbrella or Association.
Corleone clan is the single organization. Sicilian Cosa Nostra/Mafia is the Association or Society.


and where is the difference with cosa nostra, lcn or ndrangheta? 14 k is a single organization divided into subgroups, cosa nostra/lcn/ndrangheta are single organizations divided into families
wheels of soul are divided into many chapters that work autonomously, there is not a boss of bosses, there is a president, but only in name
the only real monolitich big criminal group was sicilian cosa nostra under totò riina who commanded all other bosses

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Originally Posted by Strax
No point in discussing this further,since you are not getting it at all.Same pointless discussion i had with you few years ago when you claimed nigerian mafia is in top 3 most powerful organized crime groups.


Thank you and again reference the Nigerian Syndicates as a collective indeed.


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Originally Posted by m2w
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Yes you got it for 14K Triads is single organization with many sub groups aka branches/factions/crews. Triads is the Umbrella or Association.
Corleone clan is the single organization. Sicilian Cosa Nostra/Mafia is the Association or Society.


and where is the difference with cosa nostra, lcn or ndrangheta? 14 k is a single organization divided into subgroups, cosa nostra/lcn/ndrangheta are single organizations divided into families
wheels of soul are divided into many chapters that work autonomously, there is not a boss of bosses, there is a president, but only in name
the only real monolitich big criminal group was sicilian cosa nostra under totò riina who commanded all other bosses


President oversees everything.


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Was the Camorra ever stronger or wealthier than LCN or Ndrangheta?

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
Was the Camorra ever stronger or wealthier than LCN or Ndrangheta?


Never, during the 80's Sicilian mafia was strongest organized crime group ever,no organized crime group reached that level of influence/power as they did in the 80's , after that its 'Ndrangheta who is on top. Camorra is different than Sicilian Mafia and 'Ndrangheta.


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Camorra doesn't have close connections with masonic lodges,they do have connections with them,but not close like 'Ndrangheta and Sicilian Mafia have , one 'Ndrangheta boss was caught on tape saying: "Its not about 'Ndrangheta anymore,its all about P4/P5" its name of masonic lodge,P2 existed back in 80's, P2 was responsible for collapse of Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano,also murder of Roberto Calvi aka God's banker who was chairman of Banco Ambrosiano, members of P2 were heads of the three Italian secret services,son of last italian king , Silvio Berlusconi , almost all most powerful people in country were members of P2.

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Originally Posted by Strax
Camorra doesn't have close connections with masonic lodges,they do have connections with them,but not close like 'Ndrangheta and Sicilian Mafia have , one 'Ndrangheta boss was caught on tape saying: "Its not about 'Ndrangheta anymore,its all about P4/P5" its name of masonic lodge,P2 existed back in 80's, P2 was responsible for collapse of Vatican-affiliated Banco Ambrosiano,also murder of Roberto Calvi aka God's banker who was chairman of Banco Ambrosiano, members of P2 were heads of the three Italian secret services,son of last italian king , Silvio Berlusconi , almost all most powerful people in country were members of P2.


Totally agree the most powerful organization of Camorra was Cutolo's NCO, but the war with Nuova Famiglia destroyed that. Now we still see alliances between clans, but the NCO was another level.


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Have the Camorra, LCN or Ndrangheta ever warred against one another?

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
Have the Camorra, LCN or Ndrangheta ever warred against one another?


The only time i can think of was Cutolo's Camorra who were hostile to Riina's Cosa Nostra he ordered the murder of several sicilians. They in response backed the camorra enemies of Cutolo. Cutolo was backed by 'ndrangheta.


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Have the Camorra, LCN or Ndrangheta ever warred against one another?


in northern italy in the past it happened, for example in milan in 1990 there was a war between the batti clan (camorra) and trovato clan (ndrangheta) with several mobsters murdered in 6 months

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