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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: m2w] #939401
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Originally Posted by m2w
i mean you don't know so much about italian syndicates and i adviced you to read the john dickie books, even better than the italian ones about the subject although he's british
it's sure that sicilian mafia is a hierarchical and single big criminal group since at least the 1830s, with specific rituals and ranks (boss/underboss/consigliere/capodecina/soldier) there are several proofs confirmed it, the sangiorgi report in the ending of 1800s, for example, showed there was a boss of bosses, francesco siino (boss of noce cosca)
the uditiore crime family/cosca led by giammona in 1800s had the same rituals and ranks than the current one, in orther words it was the same organization sicilian mafia, also knows as cosa nostra, it is not so difficult to understand honesty
in the uditore neighborhood there is only 1 family/cosca even today, the other are part of uditore 'mandamento' (passo di rigano and torretta families), because sicilian mafia is divided into 'mandamenti' (3 or more neighbouring families) and the boss of the mandamento is a member of the provincial commission (in this case palermo), formed by all 'capimanddamento'
sicilian mafia is a secretive society, so it's logic there are not years of fundation and stuff like that like yakuza, and also the sicilian mafia was recognized officially by italian government and police only in 1992, before its existence was just theorized
and that's because the only sources in a criminal society are turncoats, there were turncoats also in the past, even in 1800s, but the trials ended with acquittance for not enough proofs


I started off reading the myths, misconceptions, & other factual information when I joined. So I have the understanding of it yet your viewing it as a whole singular group. Therefore I understand why you view it that way but my OPINION is different. You see them as a single organization. I understand that precisely.
I see them as a federation of crime groups that share a similar code of conducts & history.


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Revis_Knicks] #939416
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I agree with everything m2w said. There is a common belief that mafia originated in Sicily, but there were Camorra activities even before.

@BlackFamily: no offense man,but you should stick to threads about street gangs and stuff,you are very knowledge poster on that topics. Can't say the same about organized crime in Italy.


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Revis_Knicks] #939420
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I started off reading the myths, misconceptions, & other factual information when I joined. So I have the understanding of it yet your viewing it as a whole singular group. Therefore I understand why you view it that way but my OPINION is different. You see them as a single organization. I understand that precisely.
I see them as a federation of crime groups that share a similar code of conducts & history.


not me, there are tons of valid proofs confirmed that sicilian mafia is a whole singular group since the beginning of 1800s, it's a single organization and not a federation of crime groups that share a similar code (whatever do you mean), because there are ranks and rituals, and always a boss of bosses or at least a commission o bosses

Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Strax] #939426
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Originally Posted by Strax
I agree with everything m2w said. There is a common belief that mafia originated in Sicily, but there were Camorra activities even before.

@BlackFamily: no offense man,but you should stick to threads about street gangs and stuff,you are very knowledge poster on that topics. Can't say the same about organized crime in Italy.


Hence, Why im one of the few here that knows history on more than street gangs as well Black OC in general. I appreciate the nod I'm just going to let others more informed on
Italy's OC speak. You should take heed of your own words as well in my future topics.


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: m2w] #939427
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Originally Posted by m2w
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I started off reading the myths, misconceptions, & other factual information when I joined. So I have the understanding of it yet your viewing it as a whole singular group. Therefore I understand why you view it that way but my OPINION is different. You see them as a single organization. I understand that precisely.
I see them as a federation of crime groups that share a similar code of conducts & history.


not me, there are tons of valid proofs confirmed that sicilian mafia is a whole singular group since the beginning of 1800s, it's a single organization and not a federation of crime groups that share a similar code (whatever do you mean), because there are ranks and rituals, and always a boss of bosses or at least a commission o bosses


Whatever you say m2w.


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Revis_Knicks] #939428
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no, they are historical facts with valid proofs, if you don't beliieve in it i just don't care

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Hence, Why im one of the few here that knows history on more than street gangs as well Black OC in general


i probably know more than you about nigerian syndicates

Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: m2w] #939433
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Originally Posted by m2w
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Hence, Why im one of the few here that knows history on more than street gangs as well Black OC in general


i probably know more than you about nigerian syndicates


Muliano please.


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Revis_Knicks] #939544
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i mean... BlackFamily accuses m2w of being bias for Italy OC's but he seems to be biased against Italian OC's

hypocritical it seems

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Originally Posted by FireHawk
i mean... BlackFamily accuses m2w of being bias for Italy OC's but he seems to be biased against Italian OC's

hypocritical it seems


Not really. Your just hoping in to the end of a conversation.


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: BlackFamily] #939705
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Western economies are much more powerful than African economies, its not a stretch to believe that factors into which groups are more powerful than the other

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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: FireHawk] #939718
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Originally Posted by FireHawk
Western economies are much more powerful than African economies, its not a stretch to believe that factors into which groups are more powerful than the other


That is very, very true, but it is exactly these strong and wealthy Western economies which are targeted by these Nigerian OC-groups specialized in fraud, embezzlement and prostitution..


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Originally Posted by FireHawk
Western economies are much more powerful than African economies, its not a stretch to believe that factors into which groups are more powerful than the other


I would call that a stretch. The economic strength of a country's legitimate society does affect their underworld but differs worldwide. Fact is there's no single crime group that's more " powerful" than all others. Everybody knows cooperative business is key to lucrative rackets.


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Re: Strongest organized crime group [Re: Revis_Knicks] #939754
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Has there been any push back against the ndrangheta as of late? They have gotten attention in the media a lot more than they have in past years and I wonder how that affects them if it does at all.

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Originally Posted by Revis_Island
Has there been any push back against the ndrangheta as of late? They have gotten attention in the media a lot more than they have in past years and I wonder how that affects them if it does at all.


Since 1990's the main focus of italian police was sicilian mafia,even today they are very much focused on finding Matteo Messina Denaro. I would say 'Ndrangheta doesn't get much attention from police,its still Sicilian Mafia followed by Camorra.


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Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by Revis_Island
Has there been any push back against the ndrangheta as of late? They have gotten attention in the media a lot more than they have in past years and I wonder how that affects them if it does at all.


Since 1990's the main focus of italian police was sicilian mafia,even today they are very much focused on finding Matteo Messina Denaro. I would say 'Ndrangheta doesn't get much attention from police,its still Sicilian Mafia followed by Camorra.


I bet it also has to do with the fact that the 'Ndrangheta is much harder to investigate and make a case against, with all their secrecy and family bonds..


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Originally Posted by BillyBrizzi
Originally Posted by Strax
Originally Posted by Revis_Island
Has there been any push back against the ndrangheta as of late? They have gotten attention in the media a lot more than they have in past years and I wonder how that affects them if it does at all.


Since 1990's the main focus of italian police was sicilian mafia,even today they are very much focused on finding Matteo Messina Denaro. I would say 'Ndrangheta doesn't get much attention from police,its still Sicilian Mafia followed by Camorra.


I bet it also has to do with the fact that the 'Ndrangheta is much harder to investigate and make a case against, with all their secrecy and family bonds..


Could be. They’ve arrested some top bosses in the past like Francesco Pesce I think his name is. And I was just made aware of the Jimmy DeMaria who ran Canadian operations for them. Also, why is the Camorra more of a threat in law enforcements eyes? Are they more violent?

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