Thanks President Trump ! The NFL announced it will start fining teams if any of their players kneel or show disrespect during national anthem. The country as a whole is sick and tired of all this meaningless nonsense. Our wonderful president sent a strong message and the NFL listened . Its a great day!

No its not. U have the right to choose to stand or not stand for the anthem. There’s no law that states u have to be a patriot or that u have to stand for the anthem. Wtf happened to freedom of speech. Government here so corrupt.

When you are on that football field as an employee of the NFL, you are not allowed to kneel. They do give the shit heads a choice of standing during the anthem like every other civilized patriot or they can stay in the locker room and i guess kneel in the shower.
Its a great rule.

Nobody gave a shit about the anthem before people started kneeling for it

Shit, the teams didn't even come out for the anthem until 2009 when the DoD paid the NFL to make them do it in an attempt to ramp up enlistment numbers.

Every football game i went to or watched on tv, everyone stood up for the anthem. Sayimg nobody gave a shit is an odd statement to make. Nobody talked about the anthem because nobody disrespected it until Kaepernick the walking identity crisis decided he needed to find a way to to make a name for himself. Lot a good that did for his career.

There was a American football game played in England. American players stood for the British anthem and took a knee for ours. England was one of the last places to do away with slavery.

They still have slavery in some African countries.

What’s Kaepernick doing these days pumping gas.

I personally could care less about the NFL. I actually hate football and the months it's played because that's all you see or hear on TV, social media, etc. So, I was quite happy with the news their numbers were going down last season because of the kneeling. However, I don't agree that forcing players to stand is the way to go. Certainly they can stay in the locker room until afterwards but I believe in freedom of speech. And don't get me wrong, I think it's disrespectful for the players to be kneeling. But I do believe they have the right to kneel.

I wonder how many times players can violate minor infractions without being suspended. If there's no limits, just on-field penalties, they only need at least one player on each team to kneel, every game. Both teams are penalized, which off-sets the penalties anyway. This would be a backfire for the league. They're trying to make the game more exciting giving offenses better field position, to generate higher scoring. If these penalties were enforced on kick offs, it would give both teams worse field position. This was such patch work decision making by the league. Lame attempt to appease advertisers, most of which whose target markets are white males. The players will find ways to protest, one way or another.

If company policy dictates that you stand for the flag during company time then you must stand because you are being paid. They knew this before being hired.
If one does not want to stand it is their right and it is the company's right to fire them.

Employers can't force anyone to do anything.

Employers are the ones that set and enforce policies. If their policy is to stand up for the flag, then that is what the employee does. If the employee does not follow the said policy then he can be fired. It is the employer that sets policy not the employee.

This whole charade could have been avoided by just enforcing policy but the fool that is in charge of the NFL catered to the demands of certain players rather than listen to their fan base. At the end the fans are the real bosses.

The employee does not have to do what the employer says. Employers aren't dictators.

There are laws which prohibit firing employees for certain things.

An employer can't tell an employee to wear a cross around their neck. They also can't prohibit someone from practicing their own religion of choice.

An employer can't fire a woman for getting pregnant.

Furthermore, some employees have more leverage than others. Skilled employees who are in demand will get away with violating company policy more than others. Famous pro athletes, who are the primary draw at pro sports events, have a ton of leverage which allows them to violate team policy and get away with it.

Freedom of speech does not apply in a work environment. That is why the NFL is in such mess they allowed it to happen.

Yes it does. Might want to research the Bill of Rights, and court decisions regarding workers' rights.

You are mixing apples with oranges and have no understanding of the law. I am talking about company policies and your mixing in civil rights.

There are civil rights that apply to the workplace. You need to research court decisions regarding this topic. Your'e simply not informed.

More fake news and spinning. Why don't you focus on the talking point which is standing up for the flag rather than avoiding the subject and talk about other matters. I notice you do that when losing a discussion. I am still waiting for the piece de resistance from you.

No, what happened here is that you made a misguided statement on a topic which you have little knowledge of.

All your statements are misguided and I will make sure to remind you of it. Your sole purpose is to deflect the truth. When did you last had a serious and mature conversation with someone other than with yourself.

I just corrected your false statements about rights in the workplace. I was serious. And, I'm always mature.

Yes, I do believe you are serious when having a mature conversation with yourself.

Oh, okay. Good one. Anything else?

Ciao bello !

@ciment

Why don't you acknowledge why players are kneeling

Nobody wants to mention police injustice

Just like nobody wants to mention unnecessary gun crimes

It's a pity they don't take a stand against stuff like battery of women, rape, and dog fighting..

They can do that on their own time not at a place of work. Furthermore with their popularity all they have to do is organize press conferences for whatever causes they want to relay to the public. It has nothing to do whether I acknowledge their causes. I may agree with some of them. The problem is that they are disrespecting the flag that so many soldiers have died to protect. If they would hold these press conferences or rallies there would be more people joining their causes. The whole thing is a farce.

Agreed

That is the best post in this thread so far. Oak, there is a difference between company time and an employee time. As long as the Company time follows the guidelines, then there is nothing illegal about it. The players are on company time when they hit the field, or do a press conference. Now when a player is approached while not on company time, and gives a statement on the street or restraunt, that many people do not like, the Company can not do anything about it, maybe bench them for a game or two, but that was the athletes personal time, and should not he punished, as that statement is the player's belief and is protected by the first amendment. I really want to see how many players are going to stay in the locker room, till it is ready for the coin toss.

It's not their responsibility to. There's a criminal justice system in place to deter these actions. Black people are not responsible for the criminal behavior of other black people. Are you responsible for the criminal behavior of other whites?