[quote=BensonHURST]Bensonhurst used to look like a beautiful town from Italy.
You had some of the best Salumeria's and Pizzeria/Restaurants in America.
The streets were cleaned and well manicured.
Bensonhurst probably had the lowest crime rate in the country.
Almost all who lived in the neighborhood took great pride.
Italian and other nationalities as well.
Almost all Italians loved America and and believed in American values and way of life.

Today Bensonhurst is a shit hole
It looks like a ghetto neighborhood from China.

Bayridge similar story 4th and 5th ave look like neighborhoods in IRAQ or Syria

These are facts it may not sound very nice but sometimes the truth isn't always nice.

No gentrification has occurred in either neighborhood I wish it would.

The middle eastern Bodega'a are disgusting and dirty I would say about 99% of them I will not buy a sandwich or a cup of coffee.


True.

agree,

For those of you who are unaware of how Italians were treated when we first came to this country:
Read this story below ------> 50 Lynchings of Italians.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.pri.org/stories/2015-11-26/brief-history-america-s-hostility-previous-generation-mediterranean-migrants%3famp#ampshare=https://www.pri.org/stories/2015-11-26/brief-history-america-s-hostility-previous-generation-mediterranean-migrants

There was NO help given to Italians by city,state,fed agencies.

Assistance was provided by the neighborhood or community it was a disgrace and embarrasment to be a man and not be able to support your family, or to be on food stamps/welfare many who may have needed did not get because of the stigma

Italians were treated very poorly but they never accepted a hand out and raised themselves both socially and economically with the will to succeed and make better lives for their families. They naver blamed anyone or made excuses, they just worked hard.They certainly accomplished that.
Bemsonhurst is not even a shadow of its former self. I want to cry whenever i go there.

more italian fought in WW2 than any other group

Nonsense.

The New Deal programs that white Americans, including Italian-Americans benefited from were a hand out.

Oak I do not know what you are talking about
Myself and my family lived through it.

I am still here in Bay Ridge Brooklyn typing this.

I am not the only one.

Where are reading what you are reading?
Please post it..

So I can un-confuse you...

Google "The New Deal".

It was welfare. For the entire country. Following the Depression. Italian-Americans were on the teet like everyone else.

And, for the umpteenth time, the many social programs of the early-to-mid 20th century are the reason those white working class neighborhoods held up so well, including Italian neighborhoods. They had help.

Chinese are very hardworking people who keep to themselves and stay out of trouble, generally, right?

And black people, despite problems such as children growing up in single-parent families etc, grind hard.

Homogeneity isn't that healthy, or sustainable, in such an urban environment.

And surely it's obvious that the idea that a mafia presence helped keep neighborhoods pristinely safe was a myth by now.

Look at the whole John Gotti/John Favara affair. Gotti's neighbors were fucking TERRIFIED of that family.

Ask the family of Nicky Guido how they feel about it. He died because he shared a name with some degenerate lowlife FGS.

And despite all of the trouble Chinese people go through to assimilate, they still get referred to as "ghetto" and "trash" by white people complaining about their childhood neighborhoods changing.

I don't care if you're black/Asian/Latino/Italian/WASP/Irish whatever, as long as you're not a traveler or gypsy I'll give you a chance as my neighbor.

Theres a huge difference between a nationwide stimulus program instituted to save the financial viability of the country which the new deal did.. and what immigrants today are taking and taking and taking and not making any attempts to assimilate to America which every single immigrant group you spoke of from the early 20th century did...

life was just harder back then, everyone who grew up in that generation and survived are just better tougher people than us( im 32)...so can we stop w this horse shit argument... id rather hear some stories from people like Bensonhurst who lived that shit than argue over some dumbass bullet point Trevor Noah made on last nights Daily Show

Modern day welfare is designed to save the financial viability of the country, too. If it were taken away, you'd see how chaotic things got.

The New Deal was welfare. And, Italian-Americans didn't turn it down.

Where in the world do you get these lies from? They come in and buy up everything and toss out people form businesses by raising rents too high, then renting vacant places to their fellow Chinese. Blacks and Hispanics hate them because they reuse to hire them. They are usually very well received when they first come to an area and are a minority, it's when they become the majority that they may get criticized. You seem to have no grasp on the reality of the real circumstances.

Don’t feed the troll.

Excellent explanation above. Did any of you ever go into the homes of some of these chinese? Not very clean. You have people all over the place, its disgusting. I do in home sales and chinese people are dirty and muslims are even worse. They own the home but man, they are dirty people. Then again, look at what they are doing to bensonhurst,

This kind of bold entrepreneunerism is the American way. Maybe the problem is with capitalism.

yes, it is, just see what are mafia dominated neighborhoods in southern italy, total shit holes for european standards

Bensonhurst looks like a fast food Chinese restaurant
Bayridge looks like little. IRAQ

Look at the neighborhoods in China they came from
The same with the .middle East.

And Oak, WTF does this have to do with Blacks and Hispanics?
Or the great depression?

Get ur fuckin' popcorn & sitback & enjoy the bullshit you've been missing...& welcome back mikey!!

Si, bentornato mikey, amico mio!!!

haha... thanks Hoodlum and Billy hope you both are doin well fellas

I'm not going to type out the entire thread for you. I'll let you play catch up on your own.

From all the interviews and old news stories I have seen, Gotti was liked by his neighbors, while Favara was not.

Anyone who compares immigration of today to 60,70, or 80 years ago is a dope to put it lightly. In the age of globalization and treap travel there's no reason to assimilate, or even attempt to. Immigrants today, for the most part, segregate themselves from the larger society. Maybe immigrants in the past benefited from things like the new deal, to say they had it better than the immigrants of today is debatable. The pro immigrant people ignore the negative effects of the countries open borders. Tens of millions of immigrants today work under the table and don't pay taxes while they collect welfare because of their kids, free healthcare, section 8 housing , public schools, etc. We're living in a rapidly changing technological age, while allowing tens of millions unskilled people, if that's not a stupid fucking policy I don't know what is. It's not doctors and engineers coming to the US, but the illiterate and unskilled.

This Oak character is just playing a fox-in-the-henhouse routine, assuming that we are all knuckle dragging imbeciles in dire need of education. (note: If oak had a formal education, it's likely we paid for it, and he is still paying it back while working as a Williamsburg cheese consultant)

So we've covered the immediate needs that immigrants are granted and he keeps bouncing back to the New Deal. Fine. So let's talk about societies general improvements that don't show up at the department of social services website or in any other countries except for western Europe feminist governments, which we dutifully protect.

The clean air act, the clean water act, the equal pay act of 1963 (girl power!), the american fisheries act (an indirect result of which is immigrants lining the banks of Jamaica Bay and catching more than plastic bags and syringes), the DEP (city), the DEC (state), the EPA (federal), sewage treatment (aka: we are not Venezuela and drowning in our own shit), NOAA, NMFS, national parks, state parks (i.e.: we don't pave over every square inch of habitation with concrete and call it a country), and last but certainly not least --- free reign over every starbucks bathroom from sea to shining sea,,, whether you were a customer or not (recently acquired).

OSHA (occupational hazards act), HIPAA, the endangered species act, the wetlands protection act, the Jones Act, and on, and on, and on...

Nowhere will you find civil protections as you find here, and that's why people come here.

Kinda off topic, but kind of on, I've really got a thing for black women right now. Like Robert De Niro.

Black guys get all kinds of women here, even guys I wouldn't consider attractive - I think Louis CK did a bit on this - but I gotta say, some black women can be unbelievable.

I remember last time I was in NY, one tried to pick me up in Times Square. White women, particularly Irish ones, be all coy and don't get to the point and shit.

ANYWAYS, is the real issue here black men stealing all those fine ass Italian chicks?

100% agree Moe. Black women are beautiful. Sexy as hell.

They tend to wear less make up than white girls, too, I think.

Strangely enough I've never found Beyonce attractive, though.

Serena Williams is close to a ten IMO.

My brother likes Asian women cos he lives in South Korea but they don't have any hips or ass! And even the thirty year olds look like schoolgirls.

But to each their own I say.

This is incredibly lame. You remind me of my desperate friends, a woman says he'll to them and they are hearing wedding bells.