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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/23/18 03:28 PM
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Let us not forget Obama attending a baseball game in Cuba with his good friend Castro !!!
Who cares? It's not the 60s. Trump's allegiance to Putin is far more troubling than any other president's relationship to Cuba.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/23/18 03:34 PM
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Let us not forget Obama attending a baseball game in Cuba with his good friend Castro !!!
Who cares? It's not the 60s. Trump's allegiance to Putin is far more troubling than any other president's relationship to Cuba. You are mistaken once again, I need to remind you that Hillary was the one receiving millions of dollars from Russians contributing to her foundation so that she can deliver the 20% uranium to Putin. Castro regime are still killing, torturing and imprisoning innocent people. 60's excuse does not hold water.
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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Because Obama's a good person. Everyone knows Obama would never just lock kids up for political leverage. If it happened on his watch, it was part of a policy that was a necessary evil. Trump had intimated several times that he was using the kids as leverage. He intended to lock them up. He enjoyed it. He's a sick asshole and his resemblances to Hitler increase by the day. How do you know Obama is a good person ? Oh, yes he gave 150 billion dollars to Iran so that they can carry their terrorist activities and kill more Americans. Oh, yes another is abandoning 4 Americans to die in Benghazi. Yes he is a good person indeed ! yeah he was pretty damn bad. Didnt seem to give a shit about actual americans which is classic liberal
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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Because Obama's a good person. Everyone knows Obama would never just lock kids up for political leverage. If it happened on his watch, it was part of a policy that was a necessary evil. Trump had intimated several times that he was using the kids as leverage. He intended to lock them up. He enjoyed it. He's a sick asshole and his resemblances to Hitler increase by the day. How do you know Obama is a good person ? Oh, yes he gave 150 billion dollars to Iran so that they can carry their terrorist activities and kill more Americans. Oh, yes another is abandoning 4 Americans to die in Benghazi. Yes he is a good person indeed ! yeah he was pretty damn bad. Didnt seem to give a shit about actual americans which is classic liberal Sometimes I wonder what planet they come from.
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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So kids werent crying in cages on tv? Is a news article gonna debunk the eyes of millions? No, but this picture, which is the poster child of this topic, wasn't snatched by border agents but was instead taken away with her mother, not seperated
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/23/18 07:29 PM
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/23/18 10:25 PM
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America's political system is the real problem IMO, they created a president like Trump. Hard to argue with this. One could easily say that this has been Trump's America for 30 years now. For that time his name has been synonymous with douchebag capitalism and narcissism. Maybe it's not that Trump became president, but that the presidency came to him. The White House finally succumbed to the same low brow reality tv culture that the rest of the country has. Trump obliterates whatever standards there were to becoming president. Literally anyone can take that White House now. Kim Kardashian. Any argument that she couldn't win would sound similar to the same arguments that Trump couldn't win. OJ Simpson could become president. This is a component of the 21st century we weren't prepared for. We thought the future would bring us great advancements. Cures for diseases. World peace. An end to poverty. Instead, it brought us Donald Trump.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/24/18 05:51 AM
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America's political system is the real problem IMO, they created a president like Trump. The same system created a president like Obama  Yes, he was like Trump a highly polarizing figure, but at least he elevated America's image abroad.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/24/18 07:49 AM
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America's political system is the real problem IMO, they created a president like Trump. The same system created a president like Obama  Yes, he was like Trump a highly polarizing figure, but at least he elevated America's image abroad. I guess you have a point,with appeasement, Obama did elevate his image. So the system works some of the times based on peoples image of the president.
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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This is a component of the 21st century we weren't prepared for. We thought the future would bring us great advancements. Cures for diseases. World peace. An end to poverty. Instead, it brought us Donald Trump. You say that like it's a bad thing. I'm glad Donald is the President. He's doing a much better job than Hillary would be at this point!
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/24/18 08:39 AM
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/24/18 08:47 AM
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America's political system is the real problem IMO, they created a president like Trump. The same system created a president like Obama  Yes, he was like Trump a highly polarizing figure, but at least he elevated America's image abroad. I guess you have a point,with appeasement, Obama did elevate his image. So the system works some of the times based on peoples image of the president. It only works if the President stands above both parties and tries to unite the country. I agree Clinton would bealso a bad choice with so many enemies, but at least we abroad knew with what America we would be dealing trump is unpredictable.
"The king is dead, long live the king!"
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/24/18 10:11 AM
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There's nothing wrong with trade defecits or imbalances, especially bilateral ones. Most economists see them largely as the result of bigger economic forces: Americans spend more than they produce, and imports fill the gap
A trade defecit means the dollar is strong, which is a good thing.
If you think of economics as a competitive game among nations, who wins? The winner is the nation that provides the most goods and services to its citizens. A trade deficit with China means we end up with more goods and services than they do. We win. Although I was never big on the Chicago School types, I thought Milton Friedman explained this concept very clearly: when we give someone a little stuff and get a whole bunch of stuff back, we're winning. It's not that hard to understand.
They end up with more currency, but you can’t eat currency or build stuff with it.
In the steel example, by importing steel, we end up with more steel than if we made it ourselves. That means we can make more of the stuff that needs steel. That results in additional jobs in those manufacturing sectors. It also means that product made with steel are cheaper for everyone.
All God's children are not beautiful. Most of God's children are, in fact, barely presentable.
I never met anyone who didn't have a very smart child. What happens to these children, you wonder, when they reach adulthood?
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/24/18 10:52 AM
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There's nothing wrong with trade defecits or imbalances, especially bilateral ones. Most economists see them largely as the result of bigger economic forces: Americans spend more than they produce, and imports fill the gap
A trade defecit means the dollar is strong, which is a good thing.
If you think of economics as a competitive game among nations, who wins? The winner is the nation that provides the most goods and services to its citizens. A trade deficit with China means we end up with more goods and services than they do. We win. Although I was never big on the Chicago School types, I thought Milton Friedman explained this concept very clearly: when we give someone a little stuff and get a whole bunch of stuff back, we're winning. It's not that hard to understand.
They end up with more currency, but you can’t eat currency or build stuff with it.
In the steel example, by importing steel, we end up with more steel than if we made it ourselves. That means we can make more of the stuff that needs steel. That results in additional jobs in those manufacturing sectors. It also means that product made with steel are cheaper for everyone. You make a compelling argument as usual. Lets concentrate on Milton Friedman concept which I happen to agree by the way. So what has America gotten back over the last decade(s). More unemployment , manufacturing jobs disappearing, jobs going abroad. Any logical person will see that there is something wrong with this picture. The trend has been going in one direction. So it is false to assume that Milton Friedman's concept will work in all situations. I don't blame his concept I blame the politicians that veered away and allowed countries such as China to cheat and steal American technology. Politicians turned a blind eye to this and Trump is correcting it. He is not against trade, he wants fair trade is that too much to ask ? Trumps goal is not to create tariffs, on the contrary he wants to eliminate them all together. He is using his negotiating skills to achieve that goal. You impose tariffs on countries that have high tariffs on American goods for the purpose of convincing them to lower or eliminate tariffs. It may or not work but it is worth a try but I am confident it will.
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/24/18 11:47 AM
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America's political system is the real problem IMO, they created a president like Trump. The same system created a president like Obama  Yes, he was like Trump a highly polarizing figure, but at least he elevated America's image abroad. The difference is that it's Trump's words and actions that are polarizing. Obama's mere skin color was polarizing.
"...the successful annihilation of organized crime's subculture in America would rock the 'legitimate' world's foundation, which would ultimately force fundamental social changes and redistributions of wealth and power in this country. Meyer Lansky's dream was to bond the two worlds together so that one could not survive without the other." - Dan E. Moldea
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Re: Trump is kickin ass and takin names
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06/24/18 01:49 PM
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America's political system is the real problem IMO, they created a president like Trump. The same system created a president like Obama  Yes, he was like Trump a highly polarizing figure, but at least he elevated America's image abroad. The difference is that it's Trump's words and actions that are polarizing. Obama's mere skin color was polarizing. No, It was his elite attitude and socialist beliefs that did Obama in.
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