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Re: Soccer!
[Re: Hollander]
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08/11/18 04:33 PM
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Moe_Tilden
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I don't know!
I compare Ireland to Wales and Scotland in terms of the ability of their players, even though Ireland generally qualify for more tournaments. But, you see Wales bringing through players like Gareth Bale, Joe Allen and Aaron Ramsey, and even Scotland are bringing through players like Callum McGregor, who got a move to Southampton this summer, Kieran Tierney and Ryan Gauld, who earned a move to Sporting Lisbon.
11 total goals scored by Irish players last season. Roughly the same amount of Scottish players playing in midfield and forward positions yet they all seem to score more on average than their Irish counterparts in recent times.
I was hoping the likes of Jeff Hendrick and Shane Long would push on after a fine Euros in the case of the former, and a strong season under Ronald Koeman in the case of the latter, but it just hasn't happened. Robbie Brady, too, had a fine Euros, but hasn't really pushed on either, although this is partly due to injury problems. This is another thing. Players like Brady, James McCarthy, Stephen Ireland and Darron Gibson have all suffered with injury problems in recent seasons, which hasn't helped.
I think we are going to see less and less Irish players in the Premier League as more money is pumped into the game and foreign managers continue to become the norm rather than the exception. Some of this may be attributed to poor development at local level and also to the reputation Ireland have developed playing attritional football under Giovanni Trapattoni and Martin O'Neill.
I really wish more Irish players would consider playing in other European countries, but I think they are only, by and large, comfortable playing in the UK.
So it looks like Ireland will continue having to source their players from the Championship in the foreseeable future!
It's quite depressing.
I mentioned injuries. Seamus Coleman is probably the one player who is/was capable of moving to a top four team, but he was injured horrifically in a match against Wales and that probably ended any lingering hopes of getting a big move. In any case, I think he's too loyal (like a lot of Irish players) and the stigma of being Irish would probably also hinder a move. I can't understand why Moyesie didn't sign him up for Man United!
I understand if you didn't read any of this! LOL
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Re: Soccer!
[Re: Hollander]
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08/11/18 05:12 PM
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MeyerLansky
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there are more uk players in lower english leagues, but not enough in the premier league. well let's be honest here it's not about money and foreign players, i thinks it's due to them having less and less good players (for instance england next generation look pretty good, with players like foden, angel gomes, mctominay, jadon sancho, luke shaw, james maddison, ryan sessegnon, marcus rashford, trent alexander arnold, marcus edwards, ben chilwell, and more who have brilliant future ahead of them, unlike the rest of the uk... they should work more and more on developing talented and good young players, the PL having so much foreigners players made the local boys work hard to get minutes that what made this WC so good for them, and the next generation will be good also ! and btw moe are you irish or italian ?
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Re: Soccer!
[Re: Hollander]
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08/11/18 06:25 PM
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Hollander
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In the past foreigners in the PL were true stars Cantona, Keane, Vialli, Zola, Ginola, Gullit, Bergkamp, Van Nistelrooy etc.., now you have too many average foreigners.
Last edited by Hollander; 08/11/18 06:30 PM.
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Re: Soccer!
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08/18/18 08:24 AM
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MeyerLansky
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Re: Soccer!
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08/20/18 04:38 PM
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Moe_Tilden
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there are more uk players in lower english leagues, but not enough in the premier league. well let's be honest here it's not about money and foreign players, i thinks it's due to them having less and less good players (for instance england next generation look pretty good, with players like foden, angel gomes, mctominay, jadon sancho, luke shaw, james maddison, ryan sessegnon, marcus rashford, trent alexander arnold, marcus edwards, ben chilwell, and more who have brilliant future ahead of them, unlike the rest of the uk... they should work more and more on developing talented and good young players, the PL having so much foreigners players made the local boys work hard to get minutes that what made this WC so good for them, and the next generation will be good also ! and btw moe are you irish or italian ? Surely the spending in the Premier League is unsustainable. Didn't Fulham spend over 100 mil this summer? Imagine the pressure if they get relegated. The amount of money spent all down the leagues is insane. Look at the stadium Coventry built, and what happened to Darlington. Surely it's gonna collapse on itself eventually. Ethnically mostly Irish, no Italian.
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Re: Soccer!
[Re: Moe_Tilden]
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08/20/18 05:35 PM
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MeyerLansky
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there are more uk players in lower english leagues, but not enough in the premier league. well let's be honest here it's not about money and foreign players, i thinks it's due to them having less and less good players (for instance england next generation look pretty good, with players like foden, angel gomes, mctominay, jadon sancho, luke shaw, james maddison, ryan sessegnon, marcus rashford, trent alexander arnold, marcus edwards, ben chilwell, and more who have brilliant future ahead of them, unlike the rest of the uk... they should work more and more on developing talented and good young players, the PL having so much foreigners players made the local boys work hard to get minutes that what made this WC so good for them, and the next generation will be good also ! and btw moe are you irish or italian ? Surely the spending in the Premier League is unsustainable. Didn't Fulham spend over 100 mil this summer? Imagine the pressure if they get relegated. The amount of money spent all down the leagues is insane. Look at the stadium Coventry built, and what happened to Darlington. Surely it's gonna collapse on itself eventually. Ethnically mostly Irish, no Italian. well after the amount of spending wolves, fulham and everton made this year the premier league will be very compatible. every team can beat each other except for city and liverpool who will go all the way (and maybe chelsea and spurs too). this just show how much strong the league is when even the "small teams" are so strong... also moe do you think we will see england winning the next euro ? they have a great chance ! also cr7 and portugal and france have a chance...
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Re: Soccer!
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09/03/18 03:23 AM
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According to The Sun he's done as the manager. Don't believe everything you read in The Sun. Unless it is reported on the BBC Sport website then for me it's not a reliable source.. True british tabloids are notorious lol. But they do have power so not a smart move by José to attack them. When he was with Porto, the first years with Chelsea and Inter he was a great manager, but in Madrid he turned in a real creep.
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